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For all the idiots who think Jenkins is too slow to play CB

Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:25 pm
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8169 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:25 pm
Link for all the wannabe gurus

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Every year there’s a highly rated cornerback prospect who slips down NFL draft boards after his postseason workouts simply because his lack of 40-yard dash speed. Typically, once a cornerback’s lack of speed becomes exposed, he almost always gets tossed into the “tweener” category, also known as a hybrid cornerback/safety prospect. NFL officials always seem to struggle with what to make of these possible hybrid cornerback/safety prospects when trying to figure out if the player is more likely to become the NFL’s next Nnamdi Asomugha or Antrel Rolle. This draft season alone, the nation’s top cornerback prospect, Malcolm Jenkins, is now being viewed as a free safety/cornerback tweener because of his lacking 40 time (4.51) at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

When evaluating the cornerback position it’s always important for that prospect to feature good straight-line speed. However, there have been plenty of NFL corners that lacked elite speed who have found ways to be successful in the NFL. The cornerback position is all about body control, footwork, balance and flexibility which in turn, allow corners to more consistently close on the ball out of their breaks. With that said, it’s bothersome that there is so much stock put into the 40-yard dash for cornerbacks, since it’s rare NFL corners are asked to simply cover receivers in a straight-line. However, one test that does a good job measuring if a prospect can bend, pivot, drop his weight and play with balance is the three-cone drill.

The three-cone drill seems to be a much better measuring stick for corners then any other drill at the combine (even the 40-yard dash). To illustrate this point, let’s take a look at two similar cornerback prospects from last year’s draft. The first is Virginia Tech product, Brandon Flowers, a 5-foot-10, 189-pound corner who clocked in with a very average 4.55 40, but impressed scouts with a 6.72-second three-cone drill. The second prospect is Justin King from Penn State. King, a 5-11, 192-pounder ran a blistering 4.31 40-time. However, he also ran one of the slower three-cone drills at the combine among cornerbacks at 7.14 seconds. The significant difference (.42 seconds) of the two times displays a dramatic advantage in body control, balance and change-of-direction skills for Flowers, a trait far more valuable to the CB position then straight-line speed.


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With an eye toward the 2009 draft class, we now rank some of the nation’s top cornerbacks according to their three-cone drill and break down what each times means.

1. Malcolm Jenkins: Ohio State (6-0, 204) (Three-cone drill: 6.59) So much has been made about Jenkins’ lack of top end speed. However, he displays the balance, footwork and quickness to always make a play on the ball. Jenkins plays much faster than his 40 time (4.51) would indicate and his impressive three-cone drill is a direct result of that. I still feel Jenkins is too talented of a cover man to move to safety and this three-cone type quickness consistently shows up on film.

2. Sherrod Martin: Troy (6-1, 198) (Three-cone drill: 6.60) No wonder so many NFL teams are looking at Martin as a cornerback prospect. Not only did he prove at the combine that he has the speed to run with receivers down the field, but he was also one of the most fluid and graceful defensive backs during position drills. I still think Martin has the makings of a ball-hawking free safety at the next level, but his three-cone time proves he also has the foot speed and body control to be successful at corner as well.

3. Vontae Davis: Illinois (5-11, 203) (Three-cone drill: 6.75) Davis not only displays the deep speed to turn and run with receivers down the field, but also has the balance and body control to explode out of his breaks. He plays just as fast and quick as all his times would indicate. However, my only concern is his lacking technique, which could cause him to never develop into the player his physical skill set would lead you to believe.

4. Sean Smith: Utah (6-4, 214) (Three-cone drill: 6.92) It isn’t often you find a defensive back of Smith’s size that can not only run in the high 4.4 range, but also flip and bend like a corner that’s 5-10. Smith possesses rare hips and flexibility for a guy his height and isn’t simply a strider. He has the ability to be successful both as a corner or safety and should bring a team a lot of versatility and upside in the secondary.

5. Darius Butler: Connecticut (5-11, 183) (Three-cone drill: 6.92) Butler does a great job exploding in and out of his breaks and gets up to speed very quickly. He does a nice job always staying low in his backpedal and possesses the balance to consistently break on the football. Butler is one of the few corners who actually plays as fast as his 40 time would indicate. This is due largely in part because of his short-area quickness and body control, two traits that definitely jump out at you during his three-cone drill.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464912 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:26 pm to
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Malcolm Jenkins, is now being viewed as a free safety/cornerback tweener because of his lacking 40 time (4.51) at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

add a 0.1 to that

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The cornerback position is all about body control, footwork, balance and flexibility which in turn, allow corners to more consistently close on the ball out of their breaks. With that said, it’s bothersome that there is so much stock put into the 40-yard dash for cornerbacks, since it’s rare NFL corners are asked to simply cover receivers in a straight-line

it's both

he tested well, but his turn/run technique was average/poor at the combine and in games he was abused against top talent
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8169 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:35 pm to
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he tested well,


he had the best cone time at the combine so what if his technique is a bit raw, that why we have coaches. If he would of ran a cone time of closer to 7 sec then I could agree with your opinion of being to slow and unathletic


but then again.....you know it all, I am nothing but a peon

the omniscient football god with 140+k post
This post was edited on 4/26/09 at 12:37 pm
Posted by EasyE
Metairie
Member since Mar 2006
350 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:35 pm to
it is much more important to carry speed thru cuts/breaks than straight line speed. wr or cb the same thing applies
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464912 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:35 pm to
but it's also important that your CB not run like a LB

jenkins runs like an OLB

he ran slower than will smith
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:36 pm to
At least he is big and tall, we could have drafted a small 4.5 guy like DJ moore
Posted by EasyE
Metairie
Member since Mar 2006
350 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:39 pm to
i am not saying he will be all pro, but 40 time in and of itself is not what makes or breaks ball players.

i think with jenkins, we have a physical cb, now that mckenzie is gone.

i just hope jenkins was not drafted with the intent of moving him to safety.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8169 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:40 pm to
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but it's also important that your CB not run like a LB


god damn, WTF......its not like he has to cover Steve Smith on a fly routes every game.


and to say that he runs like a LB is fricking retarded and you should know that
Posted by RPC4LSU
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Jan 2006
2041 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 1:02 pm to
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Malcolm Jenkins, is now being viewed as a free safety/cornerback tweener because of his lacking 40 time (4.51) at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

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add a 0.1 to that

According to the Combine results Jenkins ran 4.54, 3 cone=6.59, 20 yard shuttle=4.07.
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 1:21 pm to
The other thing to remember is that shorter, smaller CB's may run a faster 40 than Jenkins, but they're probably more adversely affected by a helmet, pads, and NFL regulation uniform than he is.

In other words, a bigger CB like Malcolm will "gain" on them once you add pads and strap em up on gameday.

Football is played with helmet and pads, and a 40 time that is measured without is somewhat overvalued.
This post was edited on 4/26/09 at 1:22 pm
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8169 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 1:31 pm to
SFP would disagree.......book it!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20649 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 2:04 pm to
I think Jenkins will be awesome matching up with big, physical receivers.

I don't think he'll do as well matching up with the speed demons ... which is why we have Tracy Porter (4.37 at combine) and then went out and got Jabari Greer this offseason, a Tennessee school record holder in the 110 meter hurdles.

I think that our corners will be a strength of the team this year.
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10681 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 2:17 pm to
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a 40 time that is measured without is somewhat overvalued


For a CB, that spends his career chasing people, a 40 time is huge.
Posted by bamablows
Member since Nov 2008
350 posts
Posted on 4/26/09 at 2:21 pm to
i just hope jenkins was not drafted with the intent of moving him to safety.

Then you're an idiot. He's an avg corner in the pros with the possibility of being an all pro at FS.
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