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re: DLP signs with the Bears
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:25 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:25 am to NOSHAU
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We thought that with Matt Tennant as well. There is no guarantee any of these will be upgrades. We will have to bring in a veteran as insurance. It is puzzling that they did not bring back DLP as insurance for that price.
Couldn't agree more. Tennant was the 2nd rated Center that year. 3 years and 3 teams later and he's out of the league.
The Center position this year is looking a lot like LT last year with Brown, Smith, and Armstead. We lucked out with Armstead playing very well to close out the season, but if he, as a 3rd round rookie from a SWAC school, wasn't ready who knows if we even make the playoffs last year, much less win a game. I have faith that to team knows has a plan, I'm just curious as to what it is. I'm also curious to see how many Centers start their rookie year, and how well they do.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 11:27 am
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:50 am to NOSHAU
quote:Do you people not see Tim Lelito?
We thought that with Matt Tennant as well. There is no guarantee any of these will be upgrades. We will have to bring in a veteran as insurance. It is puzzling that they did not bring back DLP as insurance for that price.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:58 am to Rand AlThor
quote:Look at each situation.
It's odd. I assumed that they didn't bring him back because of his price tag. If he was willing to take minimum I would have been 100% OK with taking him back.
Saints- Competing for the starting spot with no guarantee of a roster spot if he loses as we would likely still draft a young guy to be the backup g/c or starting center with Lelito being the backup g/c.
Lions- Backup on an iffy team with no guarantee of a job after this year, maybe not even this year.
Bears- Backup on a better team than the Lions with a guarantee to stay this year and a high probability to take over the starting role next year(take minimum this year and sign again next year for starter money).
If I was looking for security, I'd pick the Bears too.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:01 pm to The Sad Banana
quote:No guarantees with him either. Two spot starts, both at guard, one really bad(injured) and one decent. Only took a few center snaps in preseason.
Do you people not see Tim Lelito?
So him and a rookie alone seems like it's asking for trouble, even if I am high on Lelito.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:01 pm to The Sad Banana
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Do you people not see Tim Lelito?
I don't think anyone is forgetting about Lelito, but you can't fault anyone for not being sold on him. Excluding draft status, his situation is very similar to Brown's last year:
-Spent time as back up
-Few starts under the belt. One good, one bad
-Switching positions (Brown went from spending most of his time at RT, to LT. Lelito spent most of his time last year at Guard, and now switching to Center.)
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:06 pm to bonethug0108
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If I was looking for security, I'd pick the Bears too.
Not that I'm saying you are wrong, but I would have looked at it differently. All things equal (1 year deal, vet minimum), at 28 the market was cold on him this year. With the Saints, he'd have a good shot at starting this year, and testing the market next year. With the Bears, he's pretty much guaranteed not to start (excluding injury), and will face a similar market next offseason.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:21 pm to mm2316
With the Saints, it was going to be win the job or get cut, no in between. That is far from security.
With the Bears they told him straight up he's guaranteed to be the back up with a really high probability of starting next year with Garza gone.
So you take a one year deal with no guarantee you even play that year and then lose out on other opportunities because they are filled not just this year but in future years(may be out of the league), or take a guaranteed one year with a high potential of getting a much larger pay day next year.
Bears sounds far more secure to me.
With the Bears they told him straight up he's guaranteed to be the back up with a really high probability of starting next year with Garza gone.
So you take a one year deal with no guarantee you even play that year and then lose out on other opportunities because they are filled not just this year but in future years(may be out of the league), or take a guaranteed one year with a high potential of getting a much larger pay day next year.
Bears sounds far more secure to me.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:30 pm to bonethug0108
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With the Saints, it was going to be win the job or get cut, no in between.
Says who? If we draft a Center, who wins out the starting job, and DLP has a better camp than Lelito, why would we cut DLP, especially on a minimum deal? I agree that there is a chance he could be cut if he signs with us (beat out by both a rookie, and Lelito), but I don't how you are so certain it is either start or cut for DLP.
Both situations are a risk, I just think with the Saints you have the chance to compete for a starting job and retest the market next year, getting the contract that he was expected to get this year. With the Bears, you're almost solidifying yourself for another minimum deal next year. Even if did get cut with us, there's always a chance another team needs a Center around the time of Training Camp, and he would get the same minimum deal. Just my .02.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:35 pm to mm2316
Future potential. They've seen the max DLP can be and he has been regressing and will be 29.
The other guys still have a lot of untapped potenetial. Lelito has shown enough that if both he and DLP lose the starting job to the rookie that they'd keep Lelito over DLP(barring some dramatic skill decrease in Lelito or increase in DLP; unlikely but I will grant you possible).
And they'd give the rookie the nod over DLP unless he is worse than Tennant bad. Look how long we kept Tennant around on potential.
The other guys still have a lot of untapped potenetial. Lelito has shown enough that if both he and DLP lose the starting job to the rookie that they'd keep Lelito over DLP(barring some dramatic skill decrease in Lelito or increase in DLP; unlikely but I will grant you possible).
And they'd give the rookie the nod over DLP unless he is worse than Tennant bad. Look how long we kept Tennant around on potential.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:37 pm to mm2316
quote:They had quite a few teams that were and still are needy at C and none of them viewed him as a solution.
retest the market next year
His regression have people backing away. Kromer, they guy he played best under, is the only one that sees true starting potential left in him.
We were going to replace him one way or another, this year or the next.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:40 pm to bonethug0108
I'll just agree to disagree. I think if DLP beats out Lelito, a UDFA Guard out of Grand Valley State, then I would keep the player that I need this year.
We only kept Tennant for two years. It's pretty much impossible to say as fans, 2 years later, that the reason Tennant was kept around for 2 years was because of his potential, and not because we weren't able to find/afford better.
We only kept Tennant for two years. It's pretty much impossible to say as fans, 2 years later, that the reason Tennant was kept around for 2 years was because of his potential, and not because we weren't able to find/afford better.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:43 pm to mm2316
quote:Well yeah I said if he beats Lelito for the job he stays and we keep all 3(maybe not in those clear terms).
I think if DLP beats out Lelito,
But if he didn't win the starting job his odds would be really low to stay due to his age, maxed potential, and regression.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:43 pm to htran90
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what does that say about him as a player?
eggzactly
I could see one taken in the 2nd to 4th Rd. Just depends on how they rate them and who is on the board when they pick. At #58 you might be able to choose whichever one you wanted, maybe one of them gone. If it is a guy they might be projecting to slide over to guard in a year or two 2nd might be more likely than 3rd Rd. At #91 at least two would likely be around. Any of those would be an upgrade over dlP IMO.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:48 pm to blueslover
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. If it is a guy they might be projecting to slide over to guard in a year or two
I'm racking my brain day and night trying to figure out how your going to get rich when this happens
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:50 pm to goatmilker
I don't get why you slide a legit center over to guard instead of just drafting another guard.
Centers are harder to come by. Almost every center can play guard, but very few guards can play center.
Centers are harder to come by. Almost every center can play guard, but very few guards can play center.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 12:52 pm to blueslover
I like both Marcus Martin & Weston Richburg but I prefer Richburg. Richburg seems to be an athletic mauler & would be an asset in the run game. He's also light on his feet in terms of pulling. I was underwhelmed with some of the footage of Swanson, Stork & Larsen.
Weston Richburg film
Marcus Martin film
Travis Swanson film
Bryan Stork film
Tyler Larsen film
More Weston Richburg
Weston Richburg vs Alabama
Weston Richburg film
Marcus Martin film
Travis Swanson film
Bryan Stork film
Tyler Larsen film
More Weston Richburg
Weston Richburg vs Alabama
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 2:33 pm to bonethug0108
garza is good people. grew up about 30 minutes away from me.
DLP is a good insurance signing for da bearz
DLP is a good insurance signing for da bearz
Posted on 4/7/14 at 2:48 pm to BigBrod81
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Bryan Stork film
Hasn't his stock dropped a lot the last month or two?
Posted on 4/7/14 at 3:15 pm to bonethug0108
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I don't get why you slide a legit center over to guard instead of just drafting another guard. Centers are harder to come by. Almost every center can play guard, but very few guards can play center.
I agree with this. Then you're starting com scratch at center again.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 3:26 pm to Suntiger
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Hasn't his stock dropped a lot the last month or two?
Yes. He has short arms & isn't very athletic in terms of his blocking downfield.
Richburg on the other hand has long arms & moves extremely well. He plays rather upright in his straight ahead run blocks which doesn't allow him to drive his opponent backwards at times. This is something that can be corrected. What can't be taught is his athleticism & being light on his feet.
Richburg played both LT & G before being moved to center. You can see it in his footwork because pass protection is his greatest strength.
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