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re: Cowboys going to go after Jahri and sharper?
Posted on 2/25/10 at 11:52 am to tigerguy121
Posted on 2/25/10 at 11:52 am to tigerguy121
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Disagree. I don't think they are going to the risk of losing or pissing off the best guard in the NFL just to get one more cheap year of labor out of him
Its business and we can franchise him and he knows it.
What if we go sign him to a monster deal before we really have to and he blows a knee out this year... Not good. I'm telling you... odds are a long term deal won't be done this year unless the saints match another team's deal which i find highly unlikely but not impossible.
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Posted on 2/25/10 at 11:58 am to Chad504boy
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Its business and we can franchise him and he knows it.
Thats fine but I'm telling you that franchising players usually pisses them off and more times than not involves the player eventually leaving the team the year after.
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What if we go sign him to a monster deal before we really have to and he blows a knee out this year
What if he gets shot, what if he fricks Drews wife, what if what if what if....
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:00 pm to tigerguy121
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Thats fine but I'm telling you that franchising players usually pisses them off and more times than not involves the player eventually leaving the team the year after.
meh, I don't think that'd be the case here. I think a deal would be worked out.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:05 pm to Chad504boy
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meh, I don't think that'd be the case here. I think a deal would be worked out.
You just said that Saints should RFA for a 2nd year, then franchise him next year, giving him no long term security/deal just in case he blows out a knee, and you don't think this might piss off Evans?
Yeah guys I'll keep playing one year deals for peanuts(in the NFL) and having no long term security despite being one of the best guards in the NFL, having none of the baggage of guys like Leonard Davis, just so you can keep rolling the dice on the off chance I blow my knee out and you don't want to pay me or perhaps even cut me.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:10 pm to tigerguy121
The franchise next year might upset him. The RFA tender won't and, as I said, he'd be ecstatic if he were franchised this year. He's been expecting the RFA tender. Practically ever RFA worth a shite will be in the same boat. Just because he is under contract for one more year doesn't mean they're not working on a long term contract. Plus if he's franchised, he's basically getting paid the average of the top 5 LTs. There is no distinction between OT and OG in the franchise cost.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:19 pm to THRILLHO
He probably is expecting the RFA tender, though I believe the Saints are working on a long term deal.
Until they give him the official tender they can still work out a long term deal, and Evans will probably be waiting till the deadline before his RFA offer comes in. I'll be surprised if Evans doesn't have a long term deal going into next season
Right but the franchise tag last year on OL was something like 8.5 million. A long term deal will probably offer him at least 16 million in guaranteed money.
Until they give him the official tender they can still work out a long term deal, and Evans will probably be waiting till the deadline before his RFA offer comes in. I'll be surprised if Evans doesn't have a long term deal going into next season
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us if he's franchised, he's basically getting paid the average of the top 5 LTs. There is no distinction between OT and OG in the franchise cost.
Right but the franchise tag last year on OL was something like 8.5 million. A long term deal will probably offer him at least 16 million in guaranteed money.
This post was edited on 2/25/10 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:21 pm to tigerguy121
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Until they give him the official tender they can still work out a long term dea
They can work out a deal after tendering him. They have until like week 10 of the regular season to give him a contract that counts against the 2011 cap.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:29 pm to tigerguy121
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You just said that Saints should RFA for a 2nd year, then franchise him next year
Usually teams will franchise player, work out long term deal and remove franchise tag. That's our best opportunity.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:34 pm to THRILLHO
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They can work out a deal after tendering him. They have until like week 10 of the regular season to give him a contract that counts against the 2011 cap.
Pat yasinkas made a comment the other day that lead me to believe that after tendering a player the RFA tender, until he signed it you were done negotiating with him for that period.
Much like after applying the franchise tag on a player there was a time limit to work out a long-term deal before only the franchise deal could apply for the upcoming season.
Not a CBA expert though so
Posted on 2/25/10 at 12:36 pm to Chad504boy
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Usually teams will franchise player, work out long term deal and remove franchise tag. That's our best opportunity.
That does happen, and would probably be our best bet IF we went into next offseason without a deal, but that is not what usually happens.
Usually if the team and player go that long without working out a deal the player and his agent are ready to hit the FA market.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:33 pm to tigerguy121
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google nate burleson
It's not by accident that the Burleson incident was the last example of a "poison pill" used in an offer sheet...and that was 4 years ago. The Seahawks did used it in retaliation against the Vikings for the Hutchinson situation.
Since you're in the googling mode, google why teams haven't used the "poison pill" since the Burleson mess. When you do, you'll that the league had a little chit chat with all teams voicing it's displeasure with the move. Could Jerry Jones snub his nose at the league and run full speed ahead? yes. Is he willing to open himself up to "mutual mass destruction", or, better still, is he willing to be attacked on several different fronts (remember, the Cowboys are disliked by many, many teams; there a number of teams that would love to raid Dallas and teach J.J. a lesson)? I don't know.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:37 pm to adono
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It's not by accident that the Burleson incident was the last example of a "poison pill" used in an offer sheet...and that was 4 years ago. The Seahawks did used it in retaliation against the Vikings for the Hutchinson situation.
Since you're in the googling mode, google why teams haven't used the "poison pill" since the Burleson mess. When you do, you'll that the league had a little chit chat with all teams voicing it's displeasure with the move. Could Jerry Jones snub his nose at the league and run full speed ahead? yes. Is he willing to open himself up to "mutual mass destruction", or, better still, is he willing to be attacked on several different fronts (remember, the Cowboys are disliked by many, many teams; there a number of teams that would love to raid Dallas and teach J.J. a lesson)? I don't know.
blah blah, you said the NFL would strike down such a poison pill, and clearly they won't. They may not like it but they already accepted it.
Regardless I don't think the Cowboys are seriously considering the move anyway
Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:38 pm to adono
Burleson and Hutch were transitioned, I think. No compensation for signing a transitioned player. You don't frequently see RFA being worth big contracts AND a 1st and 3rd draft pick. Dumerville,Evans, and maybe Edwards are the only ones this year that MIGHT be worth it, and that's in a year with a frickload of RFAs because of the CBA.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:40 pm to EmperorGout
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I thought that was Terry O'Neil.
Good catch.
Yeah Terry O'Neil was our "capologist"
Posted on 2/25/10 at 1:42 pm to THRILLHO
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Burleson and Hutch were transitioned, I think. No compensation for signing a transitioned player
The point wasn't about draft compensation, the point was about poison pills when it comes to preventing teams from matching a contract.
But for the record Burleson was a RFA. LINK
ETA I'm pretty sure you're right about Hutchinson though
This post was edited on 2/25/10 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/25/10 at 5:08 pm to tigerguy121
Evans not being amongst the billion people getting a tender, IMO, shows they'll franchise him if he doesn't do a longterm deal.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 6:07 pm to THRILLHO
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Evans not being amongst the billion people getting a tender, IMO, shows they'll franchise him if he doesn't do a longterm deal.
When is the deadline to place franchise tags, and when is the deadline to tender someone a RFA offer?
Posted on 2/25/10 at 6:11 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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Yeah Terry O'Neil was our "capologist"
He was a financial wizard, except that every contract he worked for us ended up blowing up in our faces.Posted on 2/25/10 at 6:12 pm to tigerguy121
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When is the deadline to place franchise tags, and when is the deadline to tender someone a RFA offer?
I thought it was today, but it's next Thurs.
Posted on 2/25/10 at 6:23 pm to THRILLHO
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I thought it was today, but it's next Thurs.
No were right, well right and wrong.
LINK
Today was the last day to place the franchise tag. Next thursday is the last day for restricted offers.
So we aren't tagging Evans for sure.
See to me this move tells me that if we tender him we have to stop negotiating the long-term deal till he signs the Rtestricted offer
This post was edited on 2/25/10 at 6:24 pm
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