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re: Check in if you're cool with Ingram.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:13 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:13 am to Patrick O Rly
The benching did him good.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:14 am to LSUFreek
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That's the point of the post.
You're the one using nonconventional stats to make a misleading argument.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:21 am to LNCHBOX
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Ingram has never been featured in the offense the way Duece was.
Because he is not a real RB like Deuce was.
If Ingram could pound the ball in the endzone, you don't think Payton would given Ingram every opportunity he could like he did with Deuce? C'mon. There's an obvious reason why he is not featured.
So all the "avg per carry" stat misdirection against poor defenses carry no weight when he simply just doesn't produce consistently.
PS- his avg yds per game is 53.6.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:26 am to LSUFreek
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Because he is not a real RB like Deuce was.
And this is why no one will take you seriously. Give Ingram the O line Duece ran behind and get back to me.
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So all the "avg per carry" stat misdirection against poor defenses carry no weight when he simply just doesn't produce consistently.
He doesn't get used consistently either, so that doesn't really make the point you wish it does.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:27 am to LSUFreek
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Deuce, a real RB, had the same set of obstacles and he managed 10 Tds and a 1000 yards.
Would you say Drew Brees was better in 2006 or in 2016?
Better completion %
Similar YPA
Better TD%
Lower INT%
better passer rating
Why use just a single season TD as a marker?
In 2014 and 13 games, Ingram posted 964/9
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:29 am to LSUFreek
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If Ingram could pound the ball in the endzone, you don't think Payton would given Ingram every opportunity he could like he did with Deuce? C'mon. There's an obvious reason why he is not featured.
Brees to Graham was a mismatch among mismatches...
Hell, even this year we have an insane TD rate. Why run it when our OL can't generate a push? we have one of the worst run blocking OL in the league...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:31 am to LNCHBOX
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You're the one using nonconventional stats to make a misleading argument.
I'm the one using unconventional stats?
htran90 just did a whole post to make his point using just two years as a case study, taking out his best game stats, while calculating the % of games played.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:33 am to LSUFreek
Using his two most recent years is much move conventional than what you did. You should just stick to the photoshop.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:43 am to LNCHBOX
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Using his two most recent years is much move conventional than what you did.
You don't get more conventional stat-wise than how many 100 yard games a six-year first round selection has produced.
Simple math that proves his under-achieving career.
But because he flashes a couple of high-stat games this year against putrid defenses, like he has done in multiple years, it has somehow instantly blinded fans with "re-ignited hope" that he has somehow turned a corner into RB elite-dom despite his getting benched amid the cacophony of "trade this bitch".
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:46 am to LSUFreek
You ignore any improvement he's made by keeping his early years in. You also ignore how Payton chooses to use him. You know exactly what you're doing, especially when you downplay any good thing Ingram does. The reasons for your opinions are incredibly transparent, regardless of your old posts.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:56 am to LSUFreek
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You don't get more conventional stat-wise than how many 100 yard games a six-year first round selection has produced.
12 carries, 75 yards
Bad game? Ingram's fault he didn't get more carries?
Look at YPC, YAC, etc.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:02 pm to LSUFreek
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You don't get more conventional stat-wise than how many 100 yard games a six-year first round selection has produced.
Simple math that proves his under-achieving career.
But because he flashes a couple of high-stat games this year against putrid defenses, like he has done in multiple years, it has somehow instantly blinded fans with "re-ignited hope" that he has somehow turned a corner into RB elite-dom despite his getting benched amid the cacophony of "trade this bitch".
Show me an OL that can block and I'll blame the RB when they underachieve.
+0.2; 4.8 YPC vs Oakland, they allow 4.6 YPC
-0.2; 3.3 YPC vs NYG, they allow 3.5 YPC
+0.6; 5.1 YPC vs ATL, they allow 4.5 YPC
-0.8; 3.1 YPC vs SD, they allow 3.9 YPC
+0.1; 3.4 YPC (both) vs Carolina, they allow 3.3 YPC
-0.4; 3.9 YPC vs KC, they allow 4.3 YPC
-1.8; 1.7 YPC vs Seattle (benched), they allow 3.5 YPC
+5.4; 10.5 YPC vs SF, they allow 5.1 YPC
+0.2; 4.5 YPC vs Denver, they allow 4.3 YPC
+6.1; 10.4 YPC vs LA-Rams, they allow 4.3 YPC
2 games, he wrecked shite and dominated.
2 games, he did horridly against good defenses.
In 11 games, those teams' defense averaged 3.76 YPC
In 11 games, he's averaging 5.3 YPC. Go ahead and take out his two best games and he still averages 3.9 YPC.
So tell me, how bad is he again?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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You ignore
I'm not ignoring anything.
I showed how in 2014 he had a couple of quality games, and people thought he turned a corner but went back to being the same inconsistent under-achiever he is.
I showed how in 2015 he had a ONE quality game, and people thought he turned a corner but went back to being the same inconsistent under-achiever he is.
I showed how this year, once again, he has put up nice stats against putrid defenses, and people are, once again, thinking he has turned a corner, when I know who he really is.
He's about to face the Lions (16th rush D), Bucs twice (22nd rush D), Cardinals (11th) and Falcons (10th rush D). Get back to me with those results.
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The reasons for your opinions are incredibly transparent, regardless of your old posts.
I was his biggest supporter his first three years. After learning the folly of empty hopes, I have not been blinded by his total of 3 quality rushing games since then. It has nothing to do with my college fandom.Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:09 pm to LSUFreek
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I'm not ignoring anything.
You are.
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I showed how in 2014 he had a couple of quality games, and people thought he turned a corner but went back to being the same inconsistent under-achiever he is.
Just looking at yards per game doesn't tell the whole picture. It's convenient for you to use. Ingram could average 10 ypc, but he'd have a bad game for you if he only had 9 carries. That's misleading at best.
The way Payton manages our offense matters. Brees takes away yards and TDs from any RB on our team, because that's the kind of offense we run. We're never gonna have a 2000 yd rusher with the way Payton has us built currently. Your "analysis" of Ingram's performance is frankly a joke.
He definitely started out slow here, but for the past two years he's been a very good back. The numbers show that. Whether you choose to acknowledge them is on you.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:12 pm to LSUFreek
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inconsistent
Inconsistent
Yet every other RB who has run behind this OL, especially since 2012, has had the same woes and issues as Ingram in terms of being inconsistent.
You should go look up yards after contact for our RBs and yards before contact, this OL is bad.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
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And you kinda roll tide.
Kinda don't.
MI has been debated to death.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:19 pm to Patrick O Rly
yes/no
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:19 pm to htran90
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So tell me, how bad is he again?
First, I enjoyed the shite out of his SF and LA games. Just like I did his 6 other 100 yd games. Doesn't make him anything more than an average back.
For the "OL is bad this year" argument, I have eyes, too.
But we have had either the #1 or #2 offense 5 times out of his 6 year career. And the fricker still manages to flash then disappear in every single one. That's not an anomaly. That's a trend. Why can't y'all see?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:21 pm to LSUFreek
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That's not an anomaly. That's a trend. Why can't y'all see?
Do you actually watch the games? Or just look at yards per game and call it a day? Its obviously the latter.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 12:23 pm to LNCHBOX
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he's been a very good back
You sound like me circa 2011/2012/2013.
My advice: don't be fooled.
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