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Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:42 am
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:42 am
Having Book forced into action with a depleted roster allows for the Front office to get a good idea of what they may have in him.

Heading into this off-season and the questions around the qb position, this kind of data can be very helpful in the decision making process.


Who knows, Book may show very well and if he does, under these circumstances, you could have something real with him.


Nothing more valuable in the NFL than a starting qb on a 4th rounder rookie deal. Thinking back to those great Seahawks defenses with a young Russell wilson running the offense.
Posted by Sauce Castieaux
Asheville, NC.
Member since Nov 2015
5804 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:44 am to
I think we are more than likely getting the Mac Jones game plan vs Buffalo where they just ran it the whole game.
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:46 am to
I sure hope not. Regarding arm talent Book is only beat by Jameis on this roster. And a home dome is much more friendly to a rookie than that mess Mac Jones was dealt
Posted by MONROE
In the belly of the beast
Member since Sep 2015
4359 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Regarding arm talent Book is only beat by Jameis on this roster.


Are you serious?
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
620 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

Regarding arm talent Book is only beat by Jameis on this roster.


NFL scouting report:

“ Notre Dame's winningest quarterback brings plenty of leadership and overall intangibles with him. He has big game experience in his background, too. However, his size and arm strength fall below NFL standards and there isn't anything in his game that he can really hang his hat on that counters those issues. He makes receivers work too hard for the catch and was dreadful throwing outside the numbers in 2020. He's effective in RPO calls. He also does a nice job of feeling pocket pressure and sliding around it or getting outside the pocket to make plays. He's a capable runner and a plus athlete but doesn't have the necessary play traits to make a splash in the NFL.”

Throwing outside the numbers takes arm strength, which is Book’s main weakness. Let’s hope he makes all the short to intermediate open throws with accuracy and stays away from double coverages.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

Are you serious?


Sarcasm?
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
22116 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

Having Book forced into action with a depleted roster allows for the Front office to get a good idea of what they may have in him.


Lolwut? This is far from an ideal evaluation.
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:35 pm to
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Lolwut? This is far from an ideal evaluation.


They see him in a controlled setting all of the time. This gives them an opportunity to see how he performs when it's not "ideal". Higher the risk, higher the reward.
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:46 pm to
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NFL scouting report:





Nice cover. Lance Zierlein is a talk show host for goodness sake.
Posted by TwoDatBait
Northshore, LA
Member since Jul 2011
6577 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:49 pm to
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Sarcasm?


I mean beating Semen and Hill isn’t saying that much…
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
620 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:59 pm to
There is little in the description that is debatable regarding Book’s physical tools. He’s not a big quarterback and doesn’t have a big arm, and he did struggle with throws outside the numbers. Rather than simply replying with an ad hominem remark, perhaps you are aware of scouting reports that say otherwise? Please post them, as I would be interested to read them.
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
620 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:05 pm to
“Zierlein began his role as NFL draft analyst and content provider for NFL.com in November 2015 and continues in that role today. He is responsible for writing the strength and weaknesses for over 500 draft profiles each season and is one of the lead analysts on the NFL Now mobile platform during combine and NFL draft broadcasts.“

Again, please post other reports that contradict the aforementioned regarding Ian Book’s arm talent.
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:18 pm to
How would you rate Books arm talent compared to TS and Taysom? Who would you consider the more talented thrower?



From your source:

quote:

Throws the football with good touch and catchability.




Here's some more.

quote:

Arm Strength: No, Book does not have a cannon for an arm, at least not the kind you see in upper level draft picks. But I think his lack of arm strength is overplayed, and Book has shown the physical ability to make the majority of the throws needed to play at the next level.



LINK


Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36193 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:49 pm to
Book didn’t look very good in the preseason. We are depleted at WR and OL. I’m expecting a truly bad performance by our offense. Like Danny Wuerfel level bad.

I think they just need to run the ball, throw screens and curls and if those aren’t open just throw the ball away.
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
620 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:50 pm to
It’s not my source; it’s a source. As I wrote previously,

“Throwing outside the numbers takes arm strength, which is Book’s main weakness. Let’s hope he makes all the short to intermediate open throws with accuracy and stays away from double coverages.”

You appear to want to argue that what was written is inaccurate and that Book’s “arm talent,” which means strength and the ability to make throws in tight windows is a strength rather than a weakness. If so, I am interested in seeing the information. Even if the reports of his lack of arm talent have been overblown, it nevertheless is not a relative strength for Book.

As far as arm strength, unless he has gained appreciable zip on the ball since college, Book would fall behind Winston, Hill, and Siemian in that regard.

By the way, from the link you posted:

“ His arm strength and size will likely keep him from ever being a top of the draft player, but it’s good enough to make a lot of NFL throws.”

Does that sound like arm talent is a relative strength or weakness?
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:18 pm to
I think you should go back and read the thread instead of trying to create some other discussion in your head.

This
quote:

Does that sound like arm talent is a relative strength or weakness?
has nothing to do with what I stated:

I said, of the quarterbacks on the roster only Jameis has better arm talent than Book. In other words, Book throwing the ball could be better than what we've seen in this offense since JW went down.

You then took that and responded with something as it relates to a "scouting report" done by a non-scout, instead an analyst on NFL.com.


As it relates to your definition of arm talent, that is up for interpretation. As talent comes in the form of different attributes. Ultimately I view Ian Book as having better arm talent and passing ability than Siemian and Hill...you view Book as a lesser than those two.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8497 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:43 pm to
There is a reason Ian Book was inactive all year. I hope he can be a game manager but I fully expect some mistakes to happen
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted by WhoGeaux
Member since Apr 2011
5536 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

There is a reason Ian Book was on the practice squad.


He's not on the practice squad. Never has been.
Posted by DemSaintsDoh
Shreveport, LA
Member since Jan 2014
1266 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:02 pm to
Go read Brees’ pre-draft scouting report. It sounds quite similar to what you posted on Book. Just saying.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8497 posts
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:13 pm to
Correction. There is a reason he’s been inactive. Might as well have been on the PS.
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