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re: Blessing in disguise
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:15 pm to DemSaintsDoh
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:15 pm to DemSaintsDoh
I think all saints fans want Book to ball out. But I’m not going to get my hopes up. I’m sure the saints will call a very conservative game and rely heavily on the defense. Tua isn’t good and the dolphins offense isn’t good. Our defense should be able to lock them up. We just need to take advantage of the opportunities the defense hands they offense.
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:25 pm to WhoGeaux
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I think you should go back and read the thread instead of trying to create some other discussion in your head.
Rather than assertions to knowing what’s in my head, simply focus on what was written in the post. If you do not agree, that’s fine. Evidently, you have a definition of “arm talent” that does not include arm strength and the ability to throw into tight windows; however, you have not shared it. You also have not shared any evidence in which evaluators have recognized and specified “arm talent” as a strength for Ian Book. I would wager you may not find any to that effect, but I would welcome them for consideration and a different point of view.
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As it relates to your definition of arm talent, that is up for interpretation. As talent comes in the form of different attributes. Ultimately I view Ian Book as having better arm talent and passing ability than Siemian and Hill...you view Book as a lesser than those two.
You are basing your opinion upon what exactly and how is your understanding of the term “arm talent” defined?
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:40 pm to DemSaintsDoh
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Go read Brees’ pre-draft scouting report. It sounds quite similar to what you posted on Book. Just saying.
Here it is:
Pre-Draft Profiles of Drew Brees provided by LINK
#15 QB Drew Brees, Purdue, 6-0/213/4.83
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2001
Projected Round: 1-2
Rated number 2 out of 28 QB's
Overview
The unquestioned leader of the Boilermakers’ offense and one of the school’s most decorated athletes...The three-year starter shattered virtually every school passing record and also made his marks on the Big Ten Conference and NCAA Division 1-A record charts...Ranks fourth in NCAA annals with 1525 pass attempts, 942 pass completions and 11,815 yards in total offense (NCAA does not recognize bowl stats)...Including post-season action, he holds the Boilermaker and conference career-records with 1026 completions of 1678 passes for 11,792 yards, 90 touchdown tosses and 12,692 yards in total offense...His pass completion percentage of .611 set another Purdue all-time record...Only player in Big Ten Conference history to throw for over 500 yards in a game twice in a career...Threw for over 400 yards seven times, over 300 yards sixteen times and over 200 yards twenty-seven times during his career...Tied Wisconsin tailback Ron Dayne’s (1996-99) Big Ten Conference record by earning Player of the Week honors eight times during his career.
Analysis
Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.
Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.
Combine Results
Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 213
40 Yard Dash: 4.83
20 Yard Dash: 2.75
10 Yard Dash: 1.66
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 7.09
Vertical Jump: 32"
Broad Jump: 8'9"
Wonderlic: 34
Campus Agility Tests
40-yard dash: 4.67
Bench press: 275 lbs.
Squat: 475 lbs.
Power Clean: 275 lbs.
Arm length: 31 ¼”
Hands: 10”
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:58 pm to CnAzInCA
Tony Pauline’s Ian Book Scouting Report
Positives: Efficient, accurate timing passer who is best in the short and intermediate field. Patient, remains poised under the rush and steps up to avoid defenders, keeping his eyes downfield. Stays with the action, does not go down without a fight, and improvises in order to make plays. Displays terrific field vision, does not force throws, and protects the ball.
Agile, easily moves about the field, and is a legitimate threat picking up yardage with his legs. Terrific short and intermediate passer who delivers tight spirals and a catchable ball. Sells ball fakes, takes the safe underneath outlet, and possesses a quick release.
Negatives: Short and lacks pocket stature. Cannot drive deep throws. Shows hesitation in his game and is late pulling the trigger.
Analysis: Book was a productive quarterback for Notre Dame and did a terrific job running the offense, but he has arm strength limitations. He’s an instinctive quarterback who is very accurate in the short and intermediate field, but he’d struggle for team that prefers the vertical offense. He’s a late-round draft pick who at the very least would be an asset as an extra pair of eyes on the sideline.
Positives: Efficient, accurate timing passer who is best in the short and intermediate field. Patient, remains poised under the rush and steps up to avoid defenders, keeping his eyes downfield. Stays with the action, does not go down without a fight, and improvises in order to make plays. Displays terrific field vision, does not force throws, and protects the ball.
Agile, easily moves about the field, and is a legitimate threat picking up yardage with his legs. Terrific short and intermediate passer who delivers tight spirals and a catchable ball. Sells ball fakes, takes the safe underneath outlet, and possesses a quick release.
Negatives: Short and lacks pocket stature. Cannot drive deep throws. Shows hesitation in his game and is late pulling the trigger.
Analysis: Book was a productive quarterback for Notre Dame and did a terrific job running the offense, but he has arm strength limitations. He’s an instinctive quarterback who is very accurate in the short and intermediate field, but he’d struggle for team that prefers the vertical offense. He’s a late-round draft pick who at the very least would be an asset as an extra pair of eyes on the sideline.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:05 pm to CnAzInCA
Player Bio
Name: Ian Book
Jersey: #12
Position: Quarterback
School: Notre Dame
Class: Senior
Height: 6’0?
Weight: 203 lbs
Awareness (6.5/10)
Ian Book has shown that he feels free when running. In fact, when he is mobile, he has great awareness. He knows when to make a move to turn a pass play into a quarterback run, when to run out of bounds or throw the ball away, and when to find a receiver while scrambling. This has worked out for him in college, but the NFL is a whole new beast. Book will still be able to use his mobility, but not as much. He has shown signs of poor awareness in the pocket, which could hurt him drastically in the pros.
Mobility (9.5/10)
The term mobility accounts for all facets of a quarterback’s running game, including speed, vision, and awareness on the run. Book is nearly flawless when moving around with the football in his hands. His film shows just how much he uses his body to slip away from defenders to extend a play. Book’s mobility will benefit him greatly in the NFL.
Athleticism (7.5/10)
Turn on Book’s film and you will see him using more than his legs and arms. When Book scrambles to extend a play, he showcases how athletic he is by maneuvering away from defenders to keep plays alive. He can be a bit sloppy at times, which is why he did not garner a perfect grade in this category. Nevertheless, Book’s athleticism helps his draft stock and should give scouts and prospective teams confidence.
Vision (6/10)
Judging the vision of a mobile quarterback can be tricky, especially when you’re looking at someone like Book who impresses on the run but lacks awareness in the pocket. Ultimately, Book’s unwillingness to settle for a sack or incompletion has caused him to make some poor decisions as a passer, leading to risky throws. For the most part, he has received some of that Irish luck and avoided too many horrendous interceptions. However, he may not be so lucky in the NFL. His vision needs to improve if he wants to succeed at the next level.
Anticipation (6.5/10)
A growing trend here is the focus on Book’s struggles in the pocket. Yet again, while he has good athleticism and the ability to adjust on the run, his anticipation pre-snap and immediately after the snap is concerning. It’s too early to say Book will never have good anticipation, but as of now, it is one of his glaring weaknesses.
Strength (6/10)
Tell Book to throw a pass within 15 yards and he will pepper it with strength and velocity that nearly blows your mind. However, if you tell him to throw further downfield, his passes start to get shaky and lack the zip that is required to send a ball by defenders and into the hands of a receiver. Book has a decent arm but absolutely needs to add some more strength and power to his deeper throws.
Accuracy (6.5/10)
Once again, Book can be accurate in the short game, but ask him to throw long and you will instantly be met with concern. Book has an overwhelming tendency to throw significantly short or wide of receivers streaking down the sideline. This could be improved with added strength and confidence, but it’s certainty a concern right now.
Velocity (6.5/10)
There’s not much more that needs to be said here considering Book’s velocity was touched on in the “strength” category. He has impressive short-throw zip for someone his size but needs to improve when throwing deeper.
Production (3.5/5)
Book had decent production against varying levels of competition in college. He completed 63.6 percent of his passes in 44 games, accumulating 8,718 passing yards, 72 touchdowns, and 19 interceptions. He also added 1,462 yards and 16 scores on the ground.
Speed (3.5/5)
Book is a mobile quarterback, so he definitely has speed. However, it might be better to describe him as quick than speedy. He can break big plays, but he’s no Lamar Jackson. Still, he gets the job done in the running game and his threat on the ground helps him become a dangerous passer.
Leadership (4/5)
Several reports out of Notre Dame indicate that Book has grown immensely as a leader. Voted as a captain of the Fighting Irish, Book is a confident and hard-working leader who has a positive impact on his teammates.
Poise (2/5)
It’s hard to give Book a grade of two here after issuing a bright report about his poise on the run. However, it all comes back to his pocket presence. Book lacks poise in the pocket and quite simply needs to be better. His throwing mechanics (such as on deep throws) can be improved, but it’s meaningless if he crumbles under pressure.
Player Summary
All in all, Ian Book has shown promise in his time at Notre Dame. His skills were put to the test in a huge game against Clemson earlier this year, and Book led his team to victory. However, it is obvious that he has some glaring weaknesses, too. He needs to improve in the pocket, especially considering NFL coaches will never let him run as much as his Notre Dame coaches do. His throwing mechanics are solid, but he would benefit from building arm strength in order to improve his accuracy and velocity. Book has room to improve, but he remains a solid prospect who should be selected in the final round of this April’s draft.
Final Grade (68/100): Seventh-round pick
Name: Ian Book
Jersey: #12
Position: Quarterback
School: Notre Dame
Class: Senior
Height: 6’0?
Weight: 203 lbs
Awareness (6.5/10)
Ian Book has shown that he feels free when running. In fact, when he is mobile, he has great awareness. He knows when to make a move to turn a pass play into a quarterback run, when to run out of bounds or throw the ball away, and when to find a receiver while scrambling. This has worked out for him in college, but the NFL is a whole new beast. Book will still be able to use his mobility, but not as much. He has shown signs of poor awareness in the pocket, which could hurt him drastically in the pros.
Mobility (9.5/10)
The term mobility accounts for all facets of a quarterback’s running game, including speed, vision, and awareness on the run. Book is nearly flawless when moving around with the football in his hands. His film shows just how much he uses his body to slip away from defenders to extend a play. Book’s mobility will benefit him greatly in the NFL.
Athleticism (7.5/10)
Turn on Book’s film and you will see him using more than his legs and arms. When Book scrambles to extend a play, he showcases how athletic he is by maneuvering away from defenders to keep plays alive. He can be a bit sloppy at times, which is why he did not garner a perfect grade in this category. Nevertheless, Book’s athleticism helps his draft stock and should give scouts and prospective teams confidence.
Vision (6/10)
Judging the vision of a mobile quarterback can be tricky, especially when you’re looking at someone like Book who impresses on the run but lacks awareness in the pocket. Ultimately, Book’s unwillingness to settle for a sack or incompletion has caused him to make some poor decisions as a passer, leading to risky throws. For the most part, he has received some of that Irish luck and avoided too many horrendous interceptions. However, he may not be so lucky in the NFL. His vision needs to improve if he wants to succeed at the next level.
Anticipation (6.5/10)
A growing trend here is the focus on Book’s struggles in the pocket. Yet again, while he has good athleticism and the ability to adjust on the run, his anticipation pre-snap and immediately after the snap is concerning. It’s too early to say Book will never have good anticipation, but as of now, it is one of his glaring weaknesses.
Strength (6/10)
Tell Book to throw a pass within 15 yards and he will pepper it with strength and velocity that nearly blows your mind. However, if you tell him to throw further downfield, his passes start to get shaky and lack the zip that is required to send a ball by defenders and into the hands of a receiver. Book has a decent arm but absolutely needs to add some more strength and power to his deeper throws.
Accuracy (6.5/10)
Once again, Book can be accurate in the short game, but ask him to throw long and you will instantly be met with concern. Book has an overwhelming tendency to throw significantly short or wide of receivers streaking down the sideline. This could be improved with added strength and confidence, but it’s certainty a concern right now.
Velocity (6.5/10)
There’s not much more that needs to be said here considering Book’s velocity was touched on in the “strength” category. He has impressive short-throw zip for someone his size but needs to improve when throwing deeper.
Production (3.5/5)
Book had decent production against varying levels of competition in college. He completed 63.6 percent of his passes in 44 games, accumulating 8,718 passing yards, 72 touchdowns, and 19 interceptions. He also added 1,462 yards and 16 scores on the ground.
Speed (3.5/5)
Book is a mobile quarterback, so he definitely has speed. However, it might be better to describe him as quick than speedy. He can break big plays, but he’s no Lamar Jackson. Still, he gets the job done in the running game and his threat on the ground helps him become a dangerous passer.
Leadership (4/5)
Several reports out of Notre Dame indicate that Book has grown immensely as a leader. Voted as a captain of the Fighting Irish, Book is a confident and hard-working leader who has a positive impact on his teammates.
Poise (2/5)
It’s hard to give Book a grade of two here after issuing a bright report about his poise on the run. However, it all comes back to his pocket presence. Book lacks poise in the pocket and quite simply needs to be better. His throwing mechanics (such as on deep throws) can be improved, but it’s meaningless if he crumbles under pressure.
Player Summary
All in all, Ian Book has shown promise in his time at Notre Dame. His skills were put to the test in a huge game against Clemson earlier this year, and Book led his team to victory. However, it is obvious that he has some glaring weaknesses, too. He needs to improve in the pocket, especially considering NFL coaches will never let him run as much as his Notre Dame coaches do. His throwing mechanics are solid, but he would benefit from building arm strength in order to improve his accuracy and velocity. Book has room to improve, but he remains a solid prospect who should be selected in the final round of this April’s draft.
Final Grade (68/100): Seventh-round pick
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:17 pm to CnAzInCA
Here is a bit on NFL Draft Bible's views on Book:
"Experiencing one of the better two-year spans in Notre Dame history at the quarterback position, Book has brought stability to the position that has been missing for the Fighting Irish in recent years. Book is destined to the 'gamer' label, doing some admirable work extending the pocket and making plays outside of structure. He largely makes good decisions, highlighted by just six interceptions during the 2019 season ...
Book lacks proper arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. He also possesses underwhelming size and pocket awareness to win inside of structure. His chaotic style is admirable but it hides the fact Book is actually a pretty ordinary athlete. There is a lack of tool for Book to last on the next level, possibly even as a viable backup options."
"Experiencing one of the better two-year spans in Notre Dame history at the quarterback position, Book has brought stability to the position that has been missing for the Fighting Irish in recent years. Book is destined to the 'gamer' label, doing some admirable work extending the pocket and making plays outside of structure. He largely makes good decisions, highlighted by just six interceptions during the 2019 season ...
Book lacks proper arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. He also possesses underwhelming size and pocket awareness to win inside of structure. His chaotic style is admirable but it hides the fact Book is actually a pretty ordinary athlete. There is a lack of tool for Book to last on the next level, possibly even as a viable backup options."
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:26 pm to CnAzInCA
Bears Draft Report on Ian Book
Conclusion: There's a good deal to like about Book, but his size is one of the bigger red flags about him. More vertically-challenged quarterbacks like Drew Brees and Kyler Murray have ridiculous arm strength that has helped them compensate for their quite literal shortcomings. Book doesn't have that.
The former Notre Dame quarterback had a storied legacy in college, but the majority of draft analysts have him pegged as a top-tier backup in the league at best. Book would be an intriguing prospect for some NFL teams, but not for the Bears. Chicago needs an answer to the position once and for all, and Book comes with too many questions. He'll be taken in the later rounds, likely 5-7 -- if he's taken at all. He may be a solid backup in the league, and entering the draft, all indications point to that as his ceiling.
Conclusion: There's a good deal to like about Book, but his size is one of the bigger red flags about him. More vertically-challenged quarterbacks like Drew Brees and Kyler Murray have ridiculous arm strength that has helped them compensate for their quite literal shortcomings. Book doesn't have that.
The former Notre Dame quarterback had a storied legacy in college, but the majority of draft analysts have him pegged as a top-tier backup in the league at best. Book would be an intriguing prospect for some NFL teams, but not for the Bears. Chicago needs an answer to the position once and for all, and Book comes with too many questions. He'll be taken in the later rounds, likely 5-7 -- if he's taken at all. He may be a solid backup in the league, and entering the draft, all indications point to that as his ceiling.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:30 pm to CnAzInCA
From Athlonsports.com
Strong Points
Book put up solid numbers and won a lot of games as a three-year starter in South Bend, and he brings quality athleticism and a good all-around feel for making plays. He’s a nimble athlete who moves with natural balance in the pocket, allowing him to navigate and find throwing lanes. His best attribute is his ability to throw on the move, where he shows a good feel for mapping the field and is typically accurate. He’s a threat with his legs as well.
Weak Points
He’s limited in terms of size and arm talent, and operating from the condensed pockets of the NFL will be an issue. He also simply doesn’t have the arm strength to get the ball to certain parts of the field. He’s small-framed as well; it’s unlikely he’ll hold up if used frequently on designed runs.
Summary
He’s a bit of a West Coast prospect, fitting in an offense that utilizes short passes and moving pockets. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see him carve out a long career as a backup.
Final Grade: 6th/7th round
Strong Points
Book put up solid numbers and won a lot of games as a three-year starter in South Bend, and he brings quality athleticism and a good all-around feel for making plays. He’s a nimble athlete who moves with natural balance in the pocket, allowing him to navigate and find throwing lanes. His best attribute is his ability to throw on the move, where he shows a good feel for mapping the field and is typically accurate. He’s a threat with his legs as well.
Weak Points
He’s limited in terms of size and arm talent, and operating from the condensed pockets of the NFL will be an issue. He also simply doesn’t have the arm strength to get the ball to certain parts of the field. He’s small-framed as well; it’s unlikely he’ll hold up if used frequently on designed runs.
Summary
He’s a bit of a West Coast prospect, fitting in an offense that utilizes short passes and moving pockets. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see him carve out a long career as a backup.
Final Grade: 6th/7th round
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:34 pm to CnAzInCA
From College Football Metrics
2021 NFL Draft Scouting Report: QB Ian Book, Notre Dame
My journey into Ian Book scouting leads to a conflicting story, with, I fear, an ultimately a sad ending...
My general overview is – I like the player, for college. Good vision and instincts as a passer and will run/scramble on purpose as a weapon. He makes good throws, and he makes slippery/slick plays with his feet. A quintessentially good-to-great college QB...a (30-5) record as a starter the past three seasons.
The scouting problem is – he might be a good/great college quarterback...but he’s a mediocre/good prospect with possible fatal flaws for the NFL.
The problem manifests itself when you watch him playing equal/better opponents (Clemson, Alabama, or at the Senior Bowl). Book is a shorter (6’0”) QB who has a real nice arm and feel for the game, but he has a hesitation in the pocket that is going to cost him in the NFL. I heard it said about him at the Senior Bowl, and I saw it on tape in my previous study pre-Senior Bowl and again at the Senior Bowl 11-on-11 drills...Book tends to freeze up, ever so slightly, in a pure pocket passing situation looking downfield, and will usually not throw but take off running/scrambling or run into a sack rather than make a blind, tight window throw. I don’t know if he doesn’t see receivers because of his height behind the O-Line or if he is just gun-shy a tad...but the hesitation costs him.
When Book has clear vision, and especially if he rolls out or escapes the pocket...whenever he makes a confident throw – he throws darts on the money, but when kept in the pocket he gets uncomfortable and bad or neutral things happen more than positive outcomes.
My personal take is...I think Book is so afraid of throwing an interception, overgroomed by coaches or just his ‘way’, that he’s not going to make the throw unless he really knows it is there. I could see it all Senior Bowl week in 11-on-11 and some in 7-on-7...he hesitates and then the pocket breaks down and he scrambles, or he eats it. Against the best/better college players...there’s not enough time to wait for more clear things, and even worse – he has fast feet but not ultra-fast feet. He cannot scramble his way out of every situation at the next level of competition.
These are problems at the Senior Bowl or against Alabama and Clemson. In the pros, there are nothing but tight window throws, and when he scrambles in the pros the D-Linemen are as fast/faster than he is. His hesitation issue...it could make him a very rapid, glorious NFL bust.
Thrown into heavy, multi-game action right away...I think he’d be in trouble.
2021 NFL Draft Scouting Report: QB Ian Book, Notre Dame
My journey into Ian Book scouting leads to a conflicting story, with, I fear, an ultimately a sad ending...
My general overview is – I like the player, for college. Good vision and instincts as a passer and will run/scramble on purpose as a weapon. He makes good throws, and he makes slippery/slick plays with his feet. A quintessentially good-to-great college QB...a (30-5) record as a starter the past three seasons.
The scouting problem is – he might be a good/great college quarterback...but he’s a mediocre/good prospect with possible fatal flaws for the NFL.
The problem manifests itself when you watch him playing equal/better opponents (Clemson, Alabama, or at the Senior Bowl). Book is a shorter (6’0”) QB who has a real nice arm and feel for the game, but he has a hesitation in the pocket that is going to cost him in the NFL. I heard it said about him at the Senior Bowl, and I saw it on tape in my previous study pre-Senior Bowl and again at the Senior Bowl 11-on-11 drills...Book tends to freeze up, ever so slightly, in a pure pocket passing situation looking downfield, and will usually not throw but take off running/scrambling or run into a sack rather than make a blind, tight window throw. I don’t know if he doesn’t see receivers because of his height behind the O-Line or if he is just gun-shy a tad...but the hesitation costs him.
When Book has clear vision, and especially if he rolls out or escapes the pocket...whenever he makes a confident throw – he throws darts on the money, but when kept in the pocket he gets uncomfortable and bad or neutral things happen more than positive outcomes.
My personal take is...I think Book is so afraid of throwing an interception, overgroomed by coaches or just his ‘way’, that he’s not going to make the throw unless he really knows it is there. I could see it all Senior Bowl week in 11-on-11 and some in 7-on-7...he hesitates and then the pocket breaks down and he scrambles, or he eats it. Against the best/better college players...there’s not enough time to wait for more clear things, and even worse – he has fast feet but not ultra-fast feet. He cannot scramble his way out of every situation at the next level of competition.
These are problems at the Senior Bowl or against Alabama and Clemson. In the pros, there are nothing but tight window throws, and when he scrambles in the pros the D-Linemen are as fast/faster than he is. His hesitation issue...it could make him a very rapid, glorious NFL bust.
Thrown into heavy, multi-game action right away...I think he’d be in trouble.
This post was edited on 12/23/21 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 12/23/21 at 8:35 pm to MONROE
quote:
Are you serious?
Well to be fair it was referenced to this team and not all NFL
Posted on 12/23/21 at 9:23 pm to Chrome
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his anticipation pre-snap and immediately after the snap is concerning. It’s too early to say Book will never have good anticipation, but as of now, it is one of his glaring weaknesses.
This is my problem with him. He doesn’t know where to go with the ball. He ends up not throwing it in the pocket many times and just scrambles and throws it on the run. People see him throw it on the run and he looks good scrambling and throwing so they like him. But he doesn’t move the chains and is a turnover waiting to happen with all the scrambling.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 10:35 pm to CnAzInCA
Now post Brady’s scouting report. The point is, it doesn’t matter. It’s what they do on the field. I have no opinion on Book at all and haven’t seen him play more than a couple clips but the point is that the league is littered with scouting reports that turn out to be wrong. Both on the positive and negative side
Posted on 12/24/21 at 5:09 am to RTRrtr
Here it is:
Tom Brady, QB, Michigan (6-4¼, 211 pounds)
Overall: Fifth-round grade | Position rank: No. 10 quarterback
Smart, experienced big-game signal-caller, getting very high grades in the efficiency department this past season. Brady cut his interception total from '98 in half, tossing 20 TD passes compared to just six interceptions. He threw for 2,586 yards, completing an impressive 62.8% of his aerials. For his efforts, Brady was named team MVP. After working as Brian Griese's backup in '97, Brady went on to start 25 straight games with the Wolverines.
He's a straight dropback passer who stands tall in the pocket, doesn't show nervous feet, and does a nice job working through his progressions. He's not going to try to force the action, rarely trying to perform beyond his capability. He threw a TD pass in all 16 games he started against Big Ten opposition, while tossing 15 straight completions during the second half of action this past season against Michigan State. He's accurate, throws a very catchable ball, and also knows when to take a little off the pass.
This past season, Brady completed over 60% of his passes in eight games. The only time he was really off the mark was against Penn State, when he completed just 17 of 36 passes, tossing two TD strikes compared to three interceptions. At the pro level, his lack of mobility could surface as a problem, and it will be interesting to see how he fares when forced to take more chances down the field.
Sure, he doesn't have the total package of skills, but you have to be impressed with his level of performance this past season against Notre Dame (17-of-24), Wisconsin (17-of-27), Michigan State (30-of-41), Ohio State (17-of-27), and Alabama (34-of-46 for 369 yards and 4 TDs).
Combine note: Ran a 5.24 40-yard dash and had a 24½-inch vertical jump.
Tom Brady, QB, Michigan (6-4¼, 211 pounds)
Overall: Fifth-round grade | Position rank: No. 10 quarterback
Smart, experienced big-game signal-caller, getting very high grades in the efficiency department this past season. Brady cut his interception total from '98 in half, tossing 20 TD passes compared to just six interceptions. He threw for 2,586 yards, completing an impressive 62.8% of his aerials. For his efforts, Brady was named team MVP. After working as Brian Griese's backup in '97, Brady went on to start 25 straight games with the Wolverines.
He's a straight dropback passer who stands tall in the pocket, doesn't show nervous feet, and does a nice job working through his progressions. He's not going to try to force the action, rarely trying to perform beyond his capability. He threw a TD pass in all 16 games he started against Big Ten opposition, while tossing 15 straight completions during the second half of action this past season against Michigan State. He's accurate, throws a very catchable ball, and also knows when to take a little off the pass.
This past season, Brady completed over 60% of his passes in eight games. The only time he was really off the mark was against Penn State, when he completed just 17 of 36 passes, tossing two TD strikes compared to three interceptions. At the pro level, his lack of mobility could surface as a problem, and it will be interesting to see how he fares when forced to take more chances down the field.
Sure, he doesn't have the total package of skills, but you have to be impressed with his level of performance this past season against Notre Dame (17-of-24), Wisconsin (17-of-27), Michigan State (30-of-41), Ohio State (17-of-27), and Alabama (34-of-46 for 369 yards and 4 TDs).
Combine note: Ran a 5.24 40-yard dash and had a 24½-inch vertical jump.
Posted on 12/24/21 at 6:26 am to CnAzInCA
So to u “Arm Talent” is equal to Arm Strength?
There’s a lot more to having a Talented Arm as an NFL QB than just being able to throw the football really far or really hard!
There’s a lot more to having a Talented Arm as an NFL QB than just being able to throw the football really far or really hard!
Posted on 12/24/21 at 8:28 am to RightWingTiger
Arm talent is the ability to make every throw consistently on the field, including deep balls and lasers outside the numbers, and into tight windows. All of which is impossible without imparting appropriate velocity and that takes arm strength. While arm strength does not equal arm talent by definition, it is nevertheless a necessity to effectively execute the longer intermediate to deep passes on time.
For Ian Book, execution of deep balls and passes outside the numbers has not been a relative strength because he lacks the arm talent to make those throws consistently and on time. Essentially every scouting report I have read on Book denotes the same weakness.
If you can find either a scouting report that praises Book’s arm talent or a definition of arm talent that does not necessitate adequate arm strength to make the types of aforementioned passes on time, please post them, as I am always open to other points of view and refining my understanding.
For Ian Book, execution of deep balls and passes outside the numbers has not been a relative strength because he lacks the arm talent to make those throws consistently and on time. Essentially every scouting report I have read on Book denotes the same weakness.
If you can find either a scouting report that praises Book’s arm talent or a definition of arm talent that does not necessitate adequate arm strength to make the types of aforementioned passes on time, please post them, as I am always open to other points of view and refining my understanding.
This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 8:41 am
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