re: Are we still on the "tank for Acrh/Nuss" train?

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Well you don't necessarily wait 10+ games to decide if someone is worth a top 5-10 draft pick... You have them as a top 10 pick and then they confirm it. Right now none of these QB's are worth pulling the trigger with that high of a pick. The longer that goes on then the easier it is to not take a QB with that pick.

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Right. So everything both QBs put on film in 2024 is now null & void based on 3 games into the 2025. Gotcha.

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Well he's currently backing up & 5th rounder from 2024 draft. 

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Yes the 2nd rd pick is currently backing up the 5th rd pick that went 0-7 last year. And you are laughing at that instead of processing the fact that it pretty much guarantees Shough will be the starter next year....

The fact that people keep saying things like that without reading between the lines or being able to process what that means is astounding honestly.

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Well you don't necessarily wait 10+ games to decide if someone is worth a top 5-10 draft pick... You have them as a top 10 pick and then they confirm it

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Pretty sure Cam Ward was not considered a top 10 or 15 pick at this point last year.
I recall Jayden needing another month before he started seeing his name towards the top of the 2024 mock drafts
At what point in the 2020 season did Burrow cement himself as a top 5 pick?

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Right. So everything both QBs put on film in 2024 is now null & void based on 3 games into the 2025. Gotcha.

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No not at all. But you also don't waste a top 5 pick on a QB that looked good 1 year and not so great their next year. Are you saying they should be drafted by only their best plays/ games and not their worst plays/ games?

I'm not saying any of those guys won't end up being good QB's but being a good QB compared to being worth a top 10 pick when you just drafted a guy in Rd 2 is a completely different scenario.

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No not at all. But you also don't waste a top 5 pick on a QB that looked good 1 year and not so great their next year. 

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I wasn't aware that the 2025 college football season was already over. In their final collegiate seasons Mahomes, Mayfield, Burrow & Daniels were not considered 1st round material through the first 3 games of their final seasons.

I would say 'hell bent' is accurate and for good reasons lol

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Get Shough a weapon with our top 10 pick, give him a shot

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Please tell me what did Shough do in college & the preseason to give the vibe that he will ever be an elite level NFL QB besides the Saints reaching & taking him in the 2nd round of the past draft? Also, tell me why the Saints should pass over a QB in the upcoming QB draft who would have a higher draft grade than Shough did himself? I don't want to hear my "muh 2nd round pick" either because teams move on from previous 1st round drafted QBs all the time. Too many people are stuck believing that being selected in the 2nd round gives Shough magical powers or entitlement. It does not.

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worst case scenario is that he sucks and we are in the running for Arch in 2 seasons.

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Is it a given that Arch ever lives up to the hype & his last name? He may never develop into what so many hyped him to become. Eventually the light may come on for him but it's also not a guarantee that it ever will.

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You don't draft a QB Rd 2 and then waste a 1st on a QB that isn't a guaranteed generational top 5 talent. Especially when we have multiple needs.

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Shough would have to play so damn good this year that they see absolutely no one better in the draft for none to be picked. Be nice I just don't expect it

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Not necessarily. Shough just has to show enough for them to want to give him a full year next season. And the fact that we are giving the 5th rd that chance after a terrible season tells me there's a good chance we indeed make that decision. Simultaneously in order to justify taking a QB next year they have to have 0 doubts about that QB being the solution AND be willing to pass up solidified top talents in other positions.

Its not even fully about Shough but the fact that there will be other top 10 talents that may not be worth passing up to spend such a high pick on a QB the year after we spent a 2nd. At that point its almost worth it to just be bad for an extra season and end up with 2 top talents.

Its partially about having confidence in Shough but also having 0 doubts about the guy you might draft. At this exact moment it looks more wise to see what Shough has and spend our top 10 pick on BPA.

Do you want Nuss