- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Alvin Kamara Leaves Mandatory Mini-Camp
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:42 pm to jcaz
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:42 pm to jcaz
quote:
He knows Saints cannot cut him
It would be foolish to do so, because you could get draft picks in a trade which will save $1M in the cap hit. Even if you just take a 7th rounder to save that $1M, it's better than just pissing away $1M. But they could actually cut him now if they wanted to go that route.
If cut before the season:
2024 dead money: $7.9M ($6.9M bonus, $1M guaranteed salary) - would save $10.7M against cap
2025 dead money: $10.1M - would save $18.9M against the cap
quote:
He's not going to be a Saint beyond next year.
Depending on how they are trying to restructure, and what he does in Kubiak's offense; he could be gone after this year.
Cut after this year could drop 2025 cap from $29M to $10M as a pre 6/01 cut. Designate as post 6/01 and that $10.1M cap hit drops further to $4M (with the $6.1M deferred to 2026)
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 2:50 pm
1
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:50 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
Depending on how they are trying to restructure, and what he does in Kubiak's offense; he could be gone after this year.
Mcaffrey had a monster year in the niners offense and just got paid. I think Kamara knows hes a vital part of this offense and might be seeking an extension or payday here. If this offense is heavily focused on the run/play-action you need Kamara. The Saints may have to find a way to work this out. If this bleeds into training camp that would suck.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:58 pm to SaintlyTiger88
He’s a 29 year old running back and we need to get younger. Extending a RB pushing 30 on a team needing to restock talent is a ridiculous move. frick em.
Cmac had a huge year but any guy they put in that offense looks like he was on bath salts running through that line. If the system is that great you don’t need an old, expensive RB.
Cmac had a huge year but any guy they put in that offense looks like he was on bath salts running through that line. If the system is that great you don’t need an old, expensive RB.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
I do not disagree with anything you said and firmly believe this team is better with AK than they would be without. However, the argument against it could be his recent decline in production, potential expansion of Taysom & Miller's roles in the offense, decline in perceived value of RBs can all hurt his leverage.
If this goes deep into TC, as much as it would suck, I think you have to move on from him.
If this goes deep into TC, as much as it would suck, I think you have to move on from him.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:01 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
BigPerm30
He’s a shell. An old beat up running back has zero leverage in the NFL.
Oof
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:06 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
He’s a shell. An old beat up running back has zero leverage in the NFL.
Thanks for telling us you don't know shite about football
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:06 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Kamara hasn’t lived up to his contract. frick off bro
How many motherfrickers including da, carr, and Loomis haven't lived up to their contract that affected Alvin's play?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:11 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Some of the shite that gets spouted off here is crazy. Kamara has been our offense the last three years
Look at the numbers, he has not made guys miss the last two years
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:14 pm to D011ahbi11
quote:
Look at the numbers, he has not made guys miss the last two years
Kamara isn't the same guy he was 4 years ago but he isn't a "shell"
He is getting to that age where I wouldn't give him what he wants contract wise.
The Saints must've wanted to restructure him/maybe take a slight cut and he refused.
I don't blame him for refusing if they asked him to actually take a pay cut.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:15 pm to D011ahbi11
quote:
he has not made guys miss the last two years
He faced the 2nd most 8 man boxes in the league last year.
Why can't alvin make 8 guys miss? Unacceptable
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:21 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
However, the argument against it could be his recent decline in production, potential expansion of Taysom & Miller's roles in the offense, decline in perceived value of RBs can all hurt his leverage.
My argument is this team with Kamara next season is better than without him. This has constantly been proven. If the Saints were rebuilding- I would say trade him. But this team and how its built is obviously trying to win.
Listening to Underhill in his observations Miller is struggling to even beat Jamal Williams for reps- yes he had a great game to end the season but I think we should pump the brakes on how good he is. Taysom- is much older, has had injury issues as well anf I hope we find different ways to use him but I don’t think hes going to carry our run game.
Plus lets be honest with this oline you WANT a back like Kamara who will make the best of every opportunity. Jamal did nothing last year and Miller had one good game. I just think Kamara has more leverage here than people think.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:22 pm to BigPerm30
I don’t think he’s a shell but he’s definitely at the age of massive drop off where you certainly don’t want to be paying big money to a running back. His pass catching is still valuable if he’s motivated. But he’s been paid very handsomely for his solid not spectacular production. He can frick right off demanding more at his age.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:22 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Some of the shite that gets spouted off here is crazy. Kamara has been our offense the last three years. He missed 4 games, lead the team in rushing behind our piss pour offensive line and had the most ypc of any running back…but wait, there’s more. He was second in receptions behind Olave. He lead the team in yards from scrimmage, and overall points and points per game for non-kickers.
That was last year. How many 29 year old running backs with that much wear and tear on their bodies have success in the NFL? Few and far between. He’s about to fall off a cliff and I don’t want to be on the hook for kicking more money down the road with a shitty contract.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
My argument is this team with Kamara next season is better than without him. This has constantly been proven. If the Saints were rebuilding- I would say trade him. But this team and how its built is obviously trying to win.
Agreed and it’s pretty flawed thinking by the team. I also think better is a sub 500 record vs a worse sub 500 record.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:24 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
That was last year. How many 29 year old running backs with that much wear and tear on their bodies have success in the NFL? Few and far between. He’s about to fall off a cliff and I don’t want to be on the hook for kicking more money down the road with a shitty contract.
You’re not wrong. But in what way in how Mickey operated this season makes you think hes rebuilding and not trying to win now?
If the goal is to win now- you need Kamara. If the goal is to rebuild and save money- than yes better to trade him.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:26 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
That was last year. How many 29 year old running backs with that much wear and tear on their bodies have success in the NFL? Few and far between. He’s about to fall off a cliff and I don’t want to be on the hook for kicking more money down the road with a shitty contract.
Perfectly stated and how any nfl fan that actually wants long term success for a franchise should be thinking. Winning franchises cut bait and know when to move on.
Should’ve honestly drafted some younger guys to allow this transition. Our RB room is very old and not very talented outside of an aging kamara.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:31 pm to St Augustine
quote:
Should’ve honestly drafted some younger guys to allow this transition. Our RB room is very old and not very talented outside of an aging kamara.
Agreed. I guess they’re hoping Jamal has a bounce back year and Miller ascends. Problem is this team just has way too many needs.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:31 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Find a way to play hide the banana and pay him. There is nobody on this roster in the RB room that can do what he does and not even sure that is arguable. Blame Muskrat Pete for his poor numbers last year.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:36 pm to MaxxPain2
What are you hoping to gain by paying him? We’ve got him under contract for his 29 year old season at a more than fair deal for him. If he doesn’t drop off this year it will for sure be next year. You can get a much younger guy with MUCH more juice and a 30 year old kamara. That’s just losing business.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:38 pm to St Augustine
quote:
What are you hoping to gain by paying him? We’ve got him under contract for his 29 year old season at a more than fair deal for him. If he doesn’t drop off this year it will for sure be next year. You can get a much younger guy with MUCH more juice and a 30 year old kamara. That’s just losing business.
I think Kamara and his agent know all this and they’re banking on the Saints NEEDING to have a winning season to give him that contract.
A smart team wouldn’t bite here- but we are NOT that team.
Page 2 of 6
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News