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re: According to Jason Cole, Saints working on Will Smith restructure
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:33 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:33 am to Patrick O Rly
just don't be surprised if Will Smith is a starter again next year. If those other guys were so good, why weren't they getting all the reps? But like I said before, this 3-4 defense could end up being the best spot for Smith at this point in his career. He hasn't been that bad in my opinion.
Overpaid? Yes.
Best years behind him? Yes
nothing against the other guys but a small sample size from Walker in preseason shouldn't warrant a lot of playing time. And Tom Johnson got destroyed when he got more playing time against Denver last year because of Bunkley's injury.
Overpaid? Yes.
Best years behind him? Yes
nothing against the other guys but a small sample size from Walker in preseason shouldn't warrant a lot of playing time. And Tom Johnson got destroyed when he got more playing time against Denver last year because of Bunkley's injury.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:52 am to LooseCannon22282
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And Tom Johnson got destroyed when he got more playing time against Denver last year because of Bunkley's injury.
Ouch...was it necessary to bring that game up? The whole defense got worked over pretty good in that game, offense too, for that matter. But Johnson had one less assisted tackle than Smith and as many or more than anyone else on the line.
I don't believe anyone would mind seeing Smith back except for the money. Someone is going to give him a pretty decent payday, though. Is he still worth a decent payday to the Saints? I guess we'll find out.
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He hasn't been that bad in my opinion.
I agree with you on this. I think he's still a good 43 de and maybe he'll be a good 34 de. And I think he was a very good de just a few years back.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 10:07 am
Posted on 2/24/13 at 9:54 am to LooseCannon22282
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If those other guys were so good, why weren't they getting all the reps?
Well Ellis was getting more reps than any other DT last year. So you tell me. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Also Johnson and Walker weren't competing for playing time at the same spot as Smith last year.
And I wasn't saying they should automatically start over Smith, but I was responding to your assertion that it would be bad if they did wind up starting over Smith.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:25 am to LooseCannon22282
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just don't be surprised if Will Smith is a starter again next year. If those other guys were so good, why weren't they getting all the reps?
Oh, that doesn't mean Will Smith was good.
It means Spags (for whatever reason) never went with the hot hand.
I mean, Ellis got way more reps than Hicks.
And no one knows why.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:27 am to LSUZombie
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Thoughts on this? Is a cheaper Smith better than just releasing him out right?
You don't just release a player if you can avoid it. You bring in players to beat him out. When a better player shows, then you release. Why do you think Shanle has been with the Saints for so long. Everyone wants him released, but no one beats him out.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:57 am to Hoodoo Man
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I mean, Ellis got way more reps than Hicks.
And no one knows why.
Isn't that the truth. Especially the last couple of games when the playoffs were out of the question and everyone, including Spag's, knew Ellis was probably playing his last season as a Saint.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 10:59 am to BTRDD
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You don't just release a player if you can avoid it.
The Saints have to clear around 14 million in a little more than two weeks just to get under the cap. It might be unavoidable.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/24/13 at 12:57 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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#LSU coaches aren't giving DE Sam Montgomery a "ringing endorsement" to NFL teams. Not a good sign for him.
If true that pisses me off
Scouts easily can see this on reviewing the games. If the coaches are to be trusted for positive comments about players, then the can't be caught lieing about the negative. If you paid attention to his play, Sam took plays off.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:08 pm to monroesaintsfan
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And don't forget, he still has enough skill to start on some of the 43 teams but does he for a 34 team?
I don't get this. His pass rush skills are fading fast. His best assets are his size and strength. I would say at this point in his career he is better suited for 3-4. And again, he was playing some DT last year. That's a pretty good sign he can handle himself okay as a 3-4 DE.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:10 pm to LooseCannon22282
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Oh, good God.
I can see you can't a good natured ribbing so I'll leave you alone
I've also noticed this. No sense of humor for that guy.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:17 pm to monroesaintsfan
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The Saints have to clear around 14 million in a little more than two weeks just to get under the cap. It might be unavoidable
I'll say again, there has to be a reason they are looking to restructure his contract rather than release him. Obviously there is a way to keep him that is better than taking the cap hit. Do you not get this? I'm sure they know more than anyone what they need to do to get under that cap, and yet they are trying to restructure. Doesn't that tell you something?
You keep bringing up all this other stuff about whether he fits a 3-4 and what he is worth, while completely ignoring the fact that the people who know what they need to do more than anyone are trying to restructure rather than release him. You are really good at spouting off stuff while not actually addressing the point.
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/24/13 at 3:56 pm to Patrick O Rly
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And I wasn't saying they should automatically start over Smith, but I was responding to your assertion that it would be bad if they did wind up starting over Smith.
I'm just not that thrilled with some of the guys we have right now
I guess it was a shitty choice of words. Its just that some of the guys we are talking about are strictly role players anyway. Tom Johnson can come in and look good because he's the fresh guy off the bench. But it was kind of concerning I thought when he was handled up there in Denver last year when he got more snaps than usual because Bunkley was hurt.
I'm also just getting on board with Will Smith coming back. He's not the best, that is for sure, but whatever. I just think he can be good enough in this 3-4 defense. I'd like to see someone like Hicks win that job but we don't really know where he'll play yet.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 6:47 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Obviously there is a way to keep him that is better than taking the cap hit. Do you not get this?
What about it don't you get, is the better question.
From you last night:
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I only want him sticking around as a backup and only if it makes more sense to restructure than take the hit from releasing him. But I completely disagree with the notion that he can't play 3-4 end.
Whether or not he can play in a 34 or not is strictly opinions among all of us posters and our opinions don't really matter.
But you're the one who responded to me last night about cap ramifications and that's basic math. If he is kept on the team, there is no way beyond signing him past 2014 to lower his guaranteed cap hit, that or him just giving back some of that money. Quit trying to act like you've had an epiphany today about the team's braintrust and you didn't post any of the things you did last night.
Now if you think he is still worth an extra 2-3 million (my opinion on what he can get on the market) or however much you think over the guaranteed money then say it, instead of getting your undies twisted. If he signs for the minimum it would be an incredible home town discount. He can get more than that elsewhere.
In your own words you think if he did stay, he would probably be a backup....how much money do you think a cash-strapped team has to spend on backups anyway?
This post was edited on 2/24/13 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:06 pm to monroesaintsfan
The things you quote, and the responses to those quotes never make sense. Yes, I said I wouldn't mind him sticking around if it's better to restructure rather than flat out release him. I've been repeating this to you over and over, and your reply is always something about his worth and whether he fits the 3-4.
You did it again by talking about his worth in the open market and all this stuff that doesn't matter. All that matters is whether it's smarter for the cap to restructure him or release him. And what I'm saying is sense they are trying to restructure him, that means this must be the more logical option cap wise.
But you keep talking like they have to release him because of how much over the cap they are. You seem to not understand this point. No matter how smart you think you are about the cap, the fact is that they are trying to restructure rather than release. By the way, I'm fine repeating this as many times as I have to until you understand lol.
You did it again by talking about his worth in the open market and all this stuff that doesn't matter. All that matters is whether it's smarter for the cap to restructure him or release him. And what I'm saying is sense they are trying to restructure him, that means this must be the more logical option cap wise.
But you keep talking like they have to release him because of how much over the cap they are. You seem to not understand this point. No matter how smart you think you are about the cap, the fact is that they are trying to restructure rather than release. By the way, I'm fine repeating this as many times as I have to until you understand lol.
Posted on 2/24/13 at 8:39 pm to landrywasbeast30
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they are trying to restructure rather than release.
Yeah, as if you didn't start the discussion last night about cap ramifications. Also kind of peculiar about how last night you sounded reasonable and coherent in your post but today you come back to the same thread pissing and whining about the exact same thing discussed last night.
Forget your meds this morning or are you a woman?
Posted on 2/25/13 at 8:05 am to LSUZombie
I don't want any more Will Smith. And as far as Sam Montgomery is concerned, I read that he admitted in his Combine interviews to betting on college games and taking games off againts lesser opponents.
If that's the kind of shithead he wants to be he deserves every bit of bad mouthing he gets.
If that's the kind of shithead he wants to be he deserves every bit of bad mouthing he gets.
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