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Year in Review - Turnovers
Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:48 am
Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:48 am
We narrowly finished behind Cleveland for the most turnovers in the league. As we all know, the consistent turnovers led to large numbers of easy fast-break baskets for our opponents. Why? Certainly a huge part of it was poor ball handling and passing. We had the third-highest opponent steals per game, and opponent steals lead to fast breaks.
If we look at turnovers per 100 plays, we see:
Lonzo - 21.1
Okafor - 16.7
NAW - 16.1
Jrue - 13.5
Jaxson - 13.4
BI - 13.1
Favors - 12.9
Frank - 11.9
Zion - 11.9
Melli - 11.5
Hart - 11.4
Redick - 9.5
E'Twaun - 8.1
In fact, if we look at the 185 NBA players with the most minutes played this season, Lonzo had the league's very worst turnover percentage.
NAW's numbers are also really high, but that's somewhat to be expected from a rookie. Jah's high number is one reason that he doesn't play more -- I didn't realize that it was that bad. Jrue also turns the ball over a lot, as he still only ranks in the 29th percentile for his position.
But Lonzo's problems really are extraordinary. How much of this is on him and how much is on Gentry's system? Well, when Zo was with the Lakers, he wasn't the worst in the league, but he did finish in the 14th and 15th percentiles for his position -- still very bad. That suggests that replacing our coach isn't going to fix the problem.
I ultimately think that this is the strongest reason to consider trading Lonzo, as it might be an even bigger problem than his inability to finish at the rim or his free throws.
If we look at turnovers per 100 plays, we see:
Lonzo - 21.1
Okafor - 16.7
NAW - 16.1
Jrue - 13.5
Jaxson - 13.4
BI - 13.1
Favors - 12.9
Frank - 11.9
Zion - 11.9
Melli - 11.5
Hart - 11.4
Redick - 9.5
E'Twaun - 8.1
In fact, if we look at the 185 NBA players with the most minutes played this season, Lonzo had the league's very worst turnover percentage.
NAW's numbers are also really high, but that's somewhat to be expected from a rookie. Jah's high number is one reason that he doesn't play more -- I didn't realize that it was that bad. Jrue also turns the ball over a lot, as he still only ranks in the 29th percentile for his position.
But Lonzo's problems really are extraordinary. How much of this is on him and how much is on Gentry's system? Well, when Zo was with the Lakers, he wasn't the worst in the league, but he did finish in the 14th and 15th percentiles for his position -- still very bad. That suggests that replacing our coach isn't going to fix the problem.
I ultimately think that this is the strongest reason to consider trading Lonzo, as it might be an even bigger problem than his inability to finish at the rim or his free throws.
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Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:55 am to GOP_Tiger
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Year in Review - Turnovers
I’ll save you some time:
Many.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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But Lonzo's problems really are extraordinary. How much of this is on him and how much is on Gentry's system? Well, when Zo was with the Lakers, he wasn't the worst in the league, but he did finish in the 14th and 15th percentiles for his position -- still very bad. That suggests that replacing our coach isn't going to fix the problem.
I ultimately think that this is the strongest reason to consider trading Lonzo, as it might be an even bigger problem than his inability to finish at the rim or his free throws.
I had said it in another thread that the turnovers were one of the biggest factors in our poor record. That and simply not getting back after turnovers or bad shots.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Well, when Zo was with the Lakers, he wasn't the worst in the league, but he did finish in the 14th and 15th percentiles for his position -- still very bad. That suggests that replacing our coach isn't going to fix the problem.
No it won’t. Lonzo’s issues in the half court are clear. He doesn’t have the shooting to create passing lanes with his gravity. This isn’t an absolute killer as you see guys like Simmons and Fox still able to open up passing lanes without a threat of a shot. The problem for Lonzo is compounded because, unlike those guys, he doesn’t have the length or athleticism to generate his own passing lanes on drives. It shrinks the court exponentially for him and makes all the windows tighter, leading to more TOs.
I actually thought Lonzo had a good year for him, he exceeded my expectations. He went from trending to being an 8-10 guy at best to a guy that is solidly in a rotation and potentially a low end starter. But I think that’s clearly his ceiling, and we can’t reach the level we want to with him being the main facilitator. If we don’t think he’ll take 2nd pg, 7th man money/role, we should trade him while he is still a positive asset.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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But Lonzo's problems really are extraordinary. How much of this is on him and how much is on Gentry's system? Well, when Zo was with the Lakers, he wasn't the worst in the league, but he did finish in the 14th and 15th percentiles for his position -- still very bad. That suggests that replacing our coach isn't going to fix the problem.
I ultimately think that this is the strongest reason to consider trading Lonzo, as it might be an even bigger problem than his inability to finish at the rim or his free throws.
Beating a dead horse here, but IMO he’s an off guard, not a half court main ball handler. Luckily he has the size and defensive skill set that it doesn’t hurt you to play him at the 2, while you have a smaller traditional PG next to him.
IMO, the two needs on this team are a guard that can run half court offense, and a defensive big that can stretch the floor a bit (someone like an Aron Baynes).
Posted on 8/29/20 at 5:10 pm to Baron
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I actually thought Lonzo had a good year for him, he exceeded my expectations. He went from trending to being an 8-10 guy at best to a guy that is solidly in a rotation and potentially a low end starter. But I think that’s clearly his ceiling, and we can’t reach the level we want to with him being the main facilitator. If we don’t think he’ll take 2nd pg, 7th man money/role, we should trade him while he is still a positive asset.
See, I'm not 100% sure about that last bit. Lonzo definitely improved this year, fixing his 3-pt shot and improving his percentage from 33% to 38%. His FT improvement from 42% to 57% is also significant, even if that's still a long way from decent.
I still think that Lonzo is going to get significantly better, but I don't know where his ceiling is. I do agree with those say that we need to trade either him or Jrue. I don't think they work well together.
I don't have a strong opinion on how that gets resolved. I think it depends on our new coach, who we draft, if we're bringing Didi in this year, what we do in free agency, if we keep Favors, and (of course) who we consider trading them for. But I feel increasingly confident that either Jrue or Lonzo is gone -- or maybe even both.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 6:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
You might be right, he may consistently improve and turn into that player. I mean, he clearly made a jump this year, so maybe he has a couple more in him. We just disagree on his trajectory. I worry less about his 3p% and more about his touch around the rim and athleticism. Those are two things that are much harder to improve, and I wouldn’t want to gamble by paying him for the player he could turn into.
The way I look at it is simple: Has he turned the corner and proven that he can be a useful player? Absolutely. Can he be the primary facilitator on a team competing for a deep playoff run? I don’t think so. And that’s the problem because the Pels need to pay him like the former and he’s going to want get paid like he’s the latter.
The way I look at it is simple: Has he turned the corner and proven that he can be a useful player? Absolutely. Can he be the primary facilitator on a team competing for a deep playoff run? I don’t think so. And that’s the problem because the Pels need to pay him like the former and he’s going to want get paid like he’s the latter.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 7:49 pm to Baron
But y’all we also have to remember only Jrue was the only returning player who played big minutes. Everyone was either in their first year in New Orleans or rookies. So that compounded with a very fast offensive identity and a young team, makes for a lot of turnovers.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 4:01 pm to Baron
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I actually thought Lonzo had a good year for him, he exceeded my expectations. He went from trending to being an 8-10 guy at best to a guy that is solidly in a rotation and potentially a low end starter. But I think that’s clearly his ceiling, and we can’t reach the level we want to with him being the main facilitator. If we don’t think he’ll take 2nd pg, 7th man money/role, we should trade him while he is still a positive asset.
This describes how I feel about Lonzo perfectly.
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