re: What big men are attainable?

So we use our picks and Val and go get a big. We don’t need some elite dominant big. Just a guy who basically rebounds, fits Willie’s defense and is a capable scorer. Because we drafted so well with our wings- this is thr time you cash in your picks and complete your roster with a decent big.

Honestly in a league dominated by wings- I rather not draft a big who most likely will be either a bust to decent to solid starter. A guy like Hawkins, Trey and even Dyson have so much more potential than that. I mean even Lively or Duren from last year are solid bigs but they won’t sniff an all star game. Guys like Hawkins and Trey can potentially impact this team so much more. I think it’s silly wasting first round draft picks on bigs who more than likely will never be more than solid starters. JV was a number 5 pick whose on his third team/ Ayton number one pick on second team. Instead trade our pick and JV and upgrade the center with a more established guy.

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So we use our picks and Val and go get a big.

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So you end up with a marginally better fit (at best) and still have no depth. You also send out the picks that we would need to draft a rookie-scale backup. It's subtraction by subtraction

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You’re assuming a rookie big will be a capable backup. I’m not really understanding what you want?

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I'm not, though. You're just being obtuse.

I still stand by the Mathurin/ Turner for BI/ Naji trade. Maybe we can convince Val to stay and come off the bench to beast on 2nd strings. You don’t need BI if you have Trey/ Herb/ Dyson and a guard rotation of CJ/ Jose/ Hawkins/ Mathurin. Gives us Turner and cap space to extend Trey/ Jose and then when CJ expires we can pay Mathurin/ Hawkins. And still have Zion to build around or eventually trade worst case scenario.

Something extra special about having Hawkins/ Mathurin/ Dyson/ Trey with Zion still as an asset.

So you don’t want to trade Val because getting a better player wont make a difference ( I disagree on this). Instead you want to trade someone like Nance to get a younger guy to pair with Val instead. What you’re being obtuse is about is understanding the logistics of a trade. Nance is a depreciating asset- hes very difficult to trade. JV is an expiring contract and hes productive hes easier to trade. The easiest way to get better is to upgrade from Val not adding to Val- by trading Nance and likely a little protected first rounder.

Next this fascination that we have not drafted enough bigs to have a capable backup. I think its silly to complain when we have drafted players that have developed greatly and other people to be like we would be in a better situation if we drafted a young big developed him instead. That’s a moronic thing to say when we have drafted players like Trey, Herb, Hawkins and Dyson. Guys who have more potential than a guy giving you backup big minutes. But be obtuse and complain we’re not developing backup bigs when we draft. Nobody in the nba is going draft thinking we draft a player who will be our backup center especially in the lottery- you get the best prospect there is.

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They’re not trading BI at least this season. I get discussing it but Griffin is not even remote doing that this season.

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I’m not sure about this actually. We have not had any minutes played for Trey/ Jose and CJ has been out. You can easily give Trey 30min and Jose 20min. If we struggle at rebounding/ defending and BI can’t make 3’s/ isn’t dropping 30 then it’s worth it.

Next season is BI’s contract year and he’s due for an average of 50-60mil.

You want BI to take up 60 mil starting in 2 years or add Mathurin on a rookie contract with full money to pay him, Hawkins, Trey in 2 years AND add Turner.

I’m not saying what I want. I’m telling you that Griff will give BI at least this whole season to see what BI and Zion can do before making a decision. This whole would you rather extend BI or make Pacers trade- is a nonsense because not even sure pacers would remotely be interested in it and I think Griff values BI a lot more than most people on this board.

We have the 9th youngest roster in the NBA with an average age of 25.4.

We have (3) centers aged 31, 31, and 30….
I bet that’s ranked as the oldest center core on one of the youngest rosters in the NBA

I actually did the work for you….. There’s only (3) teams that can even remotely fit the category talked about or in a worse center depth position than us:

Bulls:
Vucivic/ Drummond

Clippers:
Zubac/ Plumlee

Suns:
Nurkic/ Eubanks/ Bol Bol

Suns/ Clippers are 2 of the top 3 oldest team and the bulls are around #20. So yes for us to have that young of a core with that shitty/ old of a center depth is not “standard” or “normal”