- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: West vs. Landry
Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
he's weak as the 2nd option
It's amazing that people don't see this.If he as a strong #2 option,than the Hornets wouldn't be who they are,A middle of the pack team.A good defensive with a solid #1 and #2 stars would be a contender.The Hornets are not,even with West healthy.
This post was edited on 4/3/11 at 12:02 pm
1
Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
west is a really good 3rd option for a great team. he's weak as the 2nd option
Come on, he's not a "weak" second option player. Dude has been a 20 ppg scorer in the league for 5 years now. He can score 30+ points on any given night as well. He just needs help on the perimeter. Like how Luol Deng is for Chicago.
Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:23 pm to NewGuy01
quote:
It's amazing that people don't see this.If he as a strong #2 option,than the Hornets wouldn't be who they are,A middle of the pack team.A good defensive with a solid #1 and #2 stars would be a contender.The Hornets are not,even with West healthy.
We actually dont have a solid 2 option besides West. Chris doesn't play to score anymore. Making West the 1st option which he shouldn't be.
This post was edited on 4/3/11 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/3/11 at 12:58 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:
We actually dont have a solid 2 option besides Westanymore. Chris doesn't play to score anymore. Making West the 1st option which he shouldn't be.
Which is why building the team around Paul is a huge mistake by the new management at this point.If Paul isn't capable of being the alpha dog every night and West is talented enough to be the alpha dog then why have we been building around them?Paul might move the needle for the Hornets,but at this point in his career(which might change if his knee improves),you can't win a championship with him at the top spot.
This post was edited on 4/3/11 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 4/3/11 at 1:31 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:
Which is why building the team around Paul is a huge mistake by the new management at this point.If Paul isn't capable of being the alpha dog every night and West is talented enough to be the alpha dog then why have we been building around them?Paul might move the needle for the Hornets,but at this point in his career(which might change if his knee improves),you can't win a championship with him at the top spot.
I sure hope Landry Fields can become a superstar.
Posted on 4/3/11 at 6:33 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:
Come on, he's not a "weak" second option player.
for a title team, he is
quote:
Like how Luol Deng is for Chicago.
he's their 3rd or 4th most important player (depending on where you rank noah)
Posted on 4/3/11 at 7:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
he's their 3rd or 4th most important player (depending on where you rank noah)
I'm just saying if you had a guy that could score like Deng on the Perimeter it would make West job a lot easier and his deficiencies would not be as noticeable.
quote:
for a title team, he is
He's a 20 ppg scorer at 50% shooting. What else do you want ? Dwyane Wade as your 2nd option ?
Posted on 4/3/11 at 9:13 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:
He's a 20 ppg scorer at 50% shooting. What else do you want ? Dwyane Wade as your 2nd option ?
lakers have gasol, then odom/bynum
celtics have kg or rondo (i'll put pierce at 1)
spurs have ginobili, then parker
these are the teams who win titles in the NBA
Posted on 4/3/11 at 10:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
lakers have gasol, then odom/bynum
celtics have kg or rondo (i'll put pierce at 1)
spurs have ginobili, then parker
these are the teams who win titles in the NBA
Ok ? You don't think DWest is just as good as KG or Parker on the offensive end ? You don't think if you put a 25 ppg scorer on the same floor with DWest that that team wouldn't be a legit contender ? DWest is very much capable of being a number 2 scorer on a championship level type team. Problem right now is he's being asked to be the number 1 scorer and he's surrounded by a bunch of guys who should be 5th options on championship level ball clubs. Of course CP3 has the ability but hes certainly not playing like to it.
You can't blame David at all. Again 20 ppg at 50% shooting. It's pretty freaking good
This post was edited on 4/3/11 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
we gotta remember finances play a role in this, possibly more than on-court performance
This.
I like Landry, he's actually physical unlike West. It's a breath of fresh air to have a 4 who actually bangs a bit down low. West isn't a great rebounder or defender either.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 8:32 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
West isn't a great rebounder or defender either.
i meant #2 as in complete player, so i'm glad you pointed this out
Posted on 4/4/11 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
The problem isn't DWest being asked to be the #2 option, which he is perfectly capable of being, it's him being asked to be the #1 scoring option.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 9:09 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
West isn't a great rebounder or defender either.
But that extra 1/2 inch of height and 5 inches of wingspan West has on Landry seems to make a HUGE difference. Not only does it make Landry less able to guard all the playoff PFs, it also limits his ability to guard the center while Okafor guards the PF, a switch you're able to make more often with West. I don't think Monty's going to change his defense first philosophy. How can you possibly go forward with a front line of Okafor and Landry when they don't have a prayer of matching up defensively with 90% of the teams you have to beat in a 7 game series?
I'd love to be wrong and I was excited about the potential of Landry at PF, S&T West to get more assets and free up money to address the SG in free agency. But I haven't seen anything to make me think it will work.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
te:
Come on, he's not a "weak" second option player.
for a title team, he is
If you look at this year, go through the 4-5 teams you think can actually win the title, and add West to those teams. I don't think West cracks the top 2 on any of them and wouldn't be the 3rd best option on most.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:46 pm to jacks40
quote:
If you look at this year, go through the 4-5 teams you think can actually win the title, and add West to those teams. I don't think West cracks the top 2 on any of them and wouldn't be the 3rd best option on most.
DWest averaged 18.9 for the season, 7.6 rebounds a game and a PER of 20.6 and a FG percentage of 50.8
Tim Duncan - 13.4 ppg, 9 RPG, 21.7 PER and 49 % from the field
Carlos Boozer - 17.9 ppg, 9.4 RPG, 19.7 PER, 52% FG
Pau Gasol - 18.9 ppg, 10.2 RPG, 23.5 PER, 53% FG
KG - 15 ppg, 20.6 PER, 9 RPG, 53 % FG percentage.
You know what the difference is between these guys as #2 guys than DWest ? Is that they all have a guy that averages 25 ppg with them and have a 3rd guy that averages around 17 ppg.
DWest being a capable second option is not the problem for this team, as proven by the 2007-2008 season.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 3:59 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:
Tim Duncan - 13.4 ppg, 9 RPG, 21.7 PER and 49 % from the field
Carlos Boozer - 17.9 ppg, 9.4 RPG, 19.7 PER, 52% FG
Pau Gasol - 18.9 ppg, 10.2 RPG, 23.5 PER, 53% FG
KG - 15 ppg, 20.6 PER, 9 RPG, 53 % FG percentage
Is it your contention that David West is as good as those players?
Posted on 4/4/11 at 4:09 pm to jacks40
It's my contention that David West is not the problem and is good enough to be the second best player on a title contending team. A guy that scored 38 points on Tim Duncan in a playoff game can play for me.
Are KG, Boozer and Bosh as good as Gasol ? No. But their teams have put good pieces around those players to help out unlike the Hornets.
I'm saying it's not the top part of our team that's behind the rest of the condensers of the league. It's the rest of the bunch. We have a bunch of scrubs as opposed to Bynum, Odom, Brown- Ray Allen, Jeff Green, Rondo - Ibaka, Perkins, Harden - Parker, Hill, Blair - Deng and Noah.
Are KG, Boozer and Bosh as good as Gasol ? No. But their teams have put good pieces around those players to help out unlike the Hornets.
I'm saying it's not the top part of our team that's behind the rest of the condensers of the league. It's the rest of the bunch. We have a bunch of scrubs as opposed to Bynum, Odom, Brown- Ray Allen, Jeff Green, Rondo - Ibaka, Perkins, Harden - Parker, Hill, Blair - Deng and Noah.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/11 at 7:18 pm to MrWiseGuy
I think if you swapped out West with Gasol or LA that would be the only 2 PF's who I think would make the Hornets significantly better. But At the highest a 5 seed and contending with OKC for that 4 spot. Only cause thode guys have the potential to score 22+ a night.
KG, Bosh, Boozer instead of West. There would be no difference whatsoever in the teams record IMO.
KG, Bosh, Boozer instead of West. There would be no difference whatsoever in the teams record IMO.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 12:29 am to TigerinATL
What's our record this year without DWest?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 7:41 am to Things and stuff
4-3
Page 2 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News