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re: Trade BI for Trae Young
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:02 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:02 pm to 50_Tiger
For all the ones who say trae young sucks probably never saw him against knicks in the playoffs. I would love to have him on our team. But I don’t know if I want to trade BI for him.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 2:03 pm
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:18 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Thats the Wizards loving that Zion has the ball outside of 12 feet. 4 dudes with eyes on him lol
Your picture fully illustrates his point. They absolutely let him catch the ball up top and built a wall. Ingram has to rub off double screens to get enough space to catch the ball there repeatedly.
Teams usually have their best perimeter defender pick up BI at half court. That's a lot of respect for a guy who supposedly sucks.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:22 pm to NOSHAU
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He absorbs nowhere near the contact
True
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or expends the energy Zion has to
False. Tell me the last time you saw Zion running hard curls off screens to initiate the offense.
Also, you wanna know why BI doesn't have to attack a wall at the rim repeatedly? Because he can score more than one way.
Furthermore, BI's man is attached to him creating space in the paint for Zion to drive. On the other hand, Zion's guy is sitting back with one foot in the paint when BI drives.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:23 pm to LSUgrad88
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said teams are “grateful” when Zion catches the ball 12 feet or more from the basket
Semantics, but ok.
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Because he can’t hurt them from that distance
Lol he absolutely can. He doesn't have to shoot a 3 to hurt them from that distance. He can get a head of steam on a drive, call for a pnr with a 3pt shooter and give them a wide open look, run a give and go and get open, etc..
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And that picture you posted. There is not one Wizard player more than a foot past the paint. They are packing it in and building a wall to try and stop Zion from driving. Like every team.
How is that ideal defensive coverage? If pels hit threes at their average clip he's getting 7 plus assists per game and dudes are wide the frick open because of it. CJ is having a career year from the 3pt line. Is it a coincidence that Zion is the healthiest he's been in 3 years, so CJ thrives? Hell no. That's a direct correlation.
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I’ll say it again when does any team ball deny Zion when he’s out by the three point line??
Because they can't spend resources to send a big that far out of the paint. It leaves guys like Val and Ingram way too much space in the paint to operate.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:26 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Teams usually have their best perimeter defender pick up BI at half court.
That's an adjustment the Clippers made when we went point Ingram in January, and it was a double because they knew he couldnt crack it and they could rotate. It got exposed and we adjusted since then. Now zion is bringing it up court far more.
If they run a guard at zion, someone has a mismatch and he'll find it.
If they run a big at zion, he'll just blow by them that far out. His size and skillset is why they aren't running dudes out like that.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
There is no need to guard Z on the perimeter. Z can barely score five feet from rim. Z has two options; drive or pass. Why would an opponent run a man after him?
Opponents wants Z on the perimeter with the ball because of his lack of a midrange and his inability to shoot off the dribble.
Because of his shoot, bigs back off and wait for Zion to drive.
That's the difference between Z and Brandon. Team want to get the ball out of BI's hand like the Suns did a few weeks ago. You cannot back off of BI. You may want to run a double team at Brandon.
Z needs a Lonzo Ball like player to elevate his game. A guard that can rebound and start a fast break is needed for Z to excel.
The team invested in CJ who is a sixth man not a point. I doubt there is a market for CJ next season.
Opponents wants Z on the perimeter with the ball because of his lack of a midrange and his inability to shoot off the dribble.
Because of his shoot, bigs back off and wait for Zion to drive.
That's the difference between Z and Brandon. Team want to get the ball out of BI's hand like the Suns did a few weeks ago. You cannot back off of BI. You may want to run a double team at Brandon.
Z needs a Lonzo Ball like player to elevate his game. A guard that can rebound and start a fast break is needed for Z to excel.
The team invested in CJ who is a sixth man not a point. I doubt there is a market for CJ next season.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:49 pm to ErikGordan
quote:Not with a live dribble or in the triple threat position, they don't.
Opponents wants Z on the perimeter with the ball because of his lack of a midrange and his inability to shoot off the dribble.
quote:FWIW, it's not solely because of his shot. It's also because if they play close up on him, he easily goes right by them.
Because of his shoot, bigs back off and wait for Zion to drive.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:54 pm to shel311
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FWIW, it's not solely because of his shot. It's also because if they play close up on him, he easily goes right by them.
It's what makes Zion so unique when he's at his best.
You know what he wants to do, like the Jordan fadeaway, you know it's coming and you can't stop it.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:30 pm to whatiknowsofar
I really want to see a ghost screen / PnR with Hawk and Zion.
Hawk might secretly be our best lobber going off of RS game.
Hawk might secretly be our best lobber going off of RS game.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:30 pm to shel311
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FWIW, it's not solely because of his shot. It's also because if they play close up on him, he easily goes right by them.
That's absolutely correct. And its a major reason, along with his lack of a perimeter shot, why they won't pick up Zion at the three point line or foul line extended. They allow him to catch the ball and back off and build a wall. The dude is so freaking athletic that even with that he's able to get to the rim often or create a good shot for a teammate. If he developed that perimeter shot he would be unstoppable.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:09 am to whatiknowsofar
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Because they can't spend resources to send a big that far out of the paint. It leaves guys like Val and Ingram way too much space in the paint to operate.
And they prefer giving Zion plenty of room while clogging the paint for BI and Val, which is exactly the point we are making. BI's guy isn't clogging the lane all the night.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:15 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:I'l gladly let Zion's guy clog the paint all night..
BI's guy isn't clogging the lane all the night.
BI can kick out to Zion at 15 feet with no one in front of him, giving him a full head of steam to the basket....unstoppable.
I feel like some are fixated on the fact that Zion and can't and won't shoot if wide open out on the perimeter. But that doesn't really matter because if he's open for a shot that someone else may make 50% of the time, Zion is going to drive to the lane unimpeded and either get fouled or score at a much higher clip than 50% of the time.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:32 am to shel311
I keep saying it's unstoppable when Zion is on. He set records with less bag imo. I think he's got more to his game this year, it's the conditioning that's holding him back from using it
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