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re: The shot by Gordon was fine
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:55 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Posted on 11/26/13 at 9:55 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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It basically comes down to whether or not you want one shot to win/tie or two.
I'd prefer two.
That's not what it comes down to at all.
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:03 pm to Broski
I agree, it was a great look. I would rather Ryno taking a three at the end of the game, but it was still a good shot.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:04 pm to TotesMcGotes
Shooting with 13 seconds left, missing, foul immediately, timeout, shooting again = 2 shots
Shooting with 5 or 6 seconds left, missing = 1 shot
Shooting with 5 or 6 seconds left, missing = 1 shot
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:13 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Even if he hit the 3 I personally like to get the ball inside and maybe get a foul. It's not like a 3 was needed. That's a low percentage strategy. Sometimes it works...tonight it didn't.
And just bc someone has an "open shot" in bball doen't mean a player should take it. Depends on who the player is, score, where the shot is taken from, etc.
And just bc someone has an "open shot" in bball doen't mean a player should take it. Depends on who the player is, score, where the shot is taken from, etc.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:21 pm to Broski
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ou're wishing for a different result.
Well no shite.
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You believe that taking an earlier shot would mean a different result in the outcome of the game.
The chance of success is definitely higher.
So if Gordon had hit the shot at 6 seconds and then GS had answered with a 3 of their own to win, you're telling me there wouldn't be threads shitting on the team for going too early for the go ahead shot?
Is there another chance to win by going early? Sure. Is it better? I would imagine by a small margin it is. But you're depending on Klay Thompson (84% career from the line) missing at least 1 FT and a Pelican hitting a likely contested game tying 3 in under 2 seconds just to get to OT.
Like I said, both strategies are valid. Killing the team or the coaches for what happened at the end is a bit much for me. You can disagree and it sucks they missed, but I don't see a major flaw in the way it went down.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:24 pm to corndeaux
Eh, Without percentages of open corner 3s made... we're just pissing on each other anyway. The last shot didn't lose the game, the shitty start did imo.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:32 pm to MrBlue105
Attacking first with the 3 as an outlet is fine by me.
Early or late, just not midway.
The lack of a called timeout is what I question.
Good halftime adjustments.
Early or late, just not midway.
The lack of a called timeout is what I question.
Good halftime adjustments.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:36 pm to 42
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The lack of a called timeout is what I question
Monty was probably thinkin to himself, "shite, I ain't calling timeout. Dem ni***s got it."
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:55 pm to Broski
A corner three is not a bad shot at all. I'm not upset with that final possession. I am, however, upset at the constant high screens with only Smiht and Davis setting them and Smiht shooting 15 times.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:59 pm to hendersonshands
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Smiht shooting 15 times
That was my biggest problem with this game. Tyreke should have played more and Smith should have played less and shot less.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:19 pm to Epic Cajun
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That was my biggest problem with this game. Tyreke should have played more and Smith should have played less and shot less.
This.
We had a few moments of sloppiness sprinkled throughout the game ( I didn't start watching until late in the 2nd quarter) but overall I felt we played fairly well. A few dumb, low percentage shots that happened to fall, a few good looks that didn't. I liked what I saw from Ryno, Reke, Holiday, AD and Gordon.
The pick and pop with Smiht should be employed 4 or 5 times a game at most. We are fricking up if Smiht shoots anything more than 7 or 8 shots in a game. My only real complaint for the game.
My biggest gripe of the season so far on the offensive side of the ball is the stretches of piss poor shot selection. Taking a long contested 2 with 15 seconds on the shot clock. 10+ Smiht 20 footers. When Gordon is behind the arc and takes one dribble in, only to shoot a step back fadeaway 2 with his heels on the line. With all that said, the last play was executed well and gave a great shot. No qualms with EG or Monty for that.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:38 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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When Gordon is behind the arc and takes one dribble in, only to shoot a step back fadeaway 2 with his heels on the line
Wesley was saying this drives NBA coaches insane, and specifically mentioned SVG.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 11:38 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Going 11-0 over 3:30 or so to end the first was a killer. The 0, fine. Allowing 11 that fast? No, sir.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:57 am to corndeaux
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This is silly. Results over process.
I often tell people that the right call and the one that works are not always the same thing in sports, so I agree with your premise here.
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They worked a good shot. If he hits it, this post turns into "Great coaching to wait for the last shot so Curry has no time left." If they had gone early and he makes it "Fire Monty. They went too early and Curry had enough time to get off a shot to win." Or if they rush a shot and they miss "Fire Monty. Why did they rush the shot?"
Both taking a quick shot or waiting for the last one are valid strategies here. It's not an either/or proposition. The critique is only because he missed and they lost.
The problem with your argument is that you have proved yourself wrong based on your premise. The correct strategy would have been to run a set and take the first best look available. The plan of waiting until the shot clock runs down to make something happen and get an open look is a poor strategy.
First off, you may not get a quality look in that short amount of time. Secondly, you are only giving yourself one chance at a winning shot instead of multiple if needed.
Like your premise states, even if this strategy would have worked and the Pels would have won the game, it would still not be the best strategy to utilize.
They should have taken the first quality open look they got. If it goes in...great you have a lead and now have to defend. If not, you give yourself a chance to extend the game and another chance to win or oven tie.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:46 pm to BearTiger
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First off, you may not get a quality look in that short amount of time.
No guarantee that they get a quality look by shooting earlier either.
Like I said last night, both strategies are valid. This isn't all that different than the up by 3 foul or dont foul situation. Personal preference.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:18 am to BearTiger
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The plan of waiting until the shot clock runs down to make something happen and get an open look is a poor strategy.
That wasn't the plan, though. Holiday drove the basket against O'Neal, but didn't have enough space for the easy layup, so he dumped to Gordon for a wide open 3 in the corner. Had he gotten more seperation, Holiday's first option was the scoop. It was a solid play that missed by half an inch.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:40 am to JimmyLoincloth
For me, the best strategy at that time is ensuring you work for a good shot- early, late, whenever. I don't care. That possession is the best chance of winning the game. You have to get a quality shot.
They did. It missed. They lost. It sucked.
They did. It missed. They lost. It sucked.
This post was edited on 11/28/13 at 8:43 am
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