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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot

Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:43 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:43 pm to
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Also true, they’re 33-17 without him
Obviously I'd still take Ja over no Ja and there are certainly positive aspects to his game, but like I said, take an inefficient volume scorer who is on the shortlist of worst defensive players, couple that with how good they continue to be without him... no way that's a coincidence imo.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:48 pm to
Lol you could have just said steph curry is the only point guard 6’2 that has won a championship in the last decade. I mean thats been your argument against any elite player thats 6’2 or shorter lol I don’t see him winning a title because hes a knucklehead but hes elite enough where I can see grizz at least contending maybe winning if everything falls right. By the way in 2023 they were only 12-10 without him this year.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8463 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:50 pm to
Idk what’s going to happen with him now, but prior to the recent stuff I thought Ja was on a trajectory that was going to lead to more consistency. He has an ability to take over a game that’s pretty rare and seemed to be showing up more consistently over the last 2 years.

then bang…and he’s gone
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:50 pm to
Again Zion and BI have not been fully healthy for 4 seasons straight now. It MIGHT happen but after 4 seasons you have to ask is it bad luck or being injured is a part of who they are as players.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:51 pm to
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Lol you could have just said steph curry is the only point guard 6’2 that has won a championship in the last decade
I'm talking about Ja Morant, try to keep up. You're falling behind.
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By the way in 2023 they were only 12-10 without him this year.
Uhh, over .500 without your best player is darn good. 12-10 is the equivalent of a 45 win team without their best player. Compare that to Zion this season with and without him for reference.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:52 pm to
Yeah the suspension he gets will be very interesting. Lets see if Grizz can survive that.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:53 pm to
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Idk what’s going to happen with him now, but prior to the recent stuff I thought Ja was on a trajectory that was going to lead to more consistency. He has an ability to take over a game that’s pretty rare and seemed to be showing up more consistently over the last 2 years.
Yea, even without all the nonsense this season, he took a step back on his scoring efficiency, whereas he'd taken a big step forward last season.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8463 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:55 pm to
Then go ahead and trade em both dog.

That is just my ideal scenario. Plus they both played 60 games in 2020, I’d be fine with just that for next season’s variant of the pelicans.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:55 pm to
Lol here we go with you. I was just messing with you by the way. 12-10 is solid but not as good as it was the year before. That being said I dont know if the Grizz winning games without him is indicative that Ja isn’t that elite or the Grizz just have a really good team. Regular season games are trash and our inability to win without Zion is more on our coaching and players as well. That being said Grizz will tell you that record means absolutely nothing and they need a talent like Ja.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 9:59 pm to
I would too. But Zion has played 30 games in 2 seasons. BI has played 40 and 50 the past 2 seasons. I just dont know. Both getting 60 seems like miracle, I think Trey has better chance of making the all star team than them playing 60. I honestly would trade both but I love who BI is despite his health issues. Plus BI is there at the end of the season and playoff push as well.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:00 pm to
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BI is a great guy, a really good player, and a solid guy in the locker room. But he can't lead a team to a title.


Are we building a team of gym rats? It feels like we are. If Zion doesn’t want to be here, trade for someone who wants to get himself in the best shape of all time. And Learn how to fricking shoot 3s like Larry Johnson did.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:02 pm to
According to David Griffin he wants the team to be full of great humans who care for each other like a family and to represent the ethos of New Orleans lol
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8463 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:10 pm to
Bruh I’m fully aware of all the missed time. I’ve watched each and every one of these games since the day we drafted Anthony Davis. Meaning yes, I completely missed the only meaningful success the team has ever actually achieved. However, I’ve seen more names on Injury reports than all of King Midas’ tires.

I didn’t say it was going to happen, it probably isn’t going to happen. It’s theoretically possible though, and all I said was that I’d really like to see it.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:14 pm to
I hear you on that. Its just so frustrating though to even think about it for me because I know it’s something I woukd love to see probably wont. I guess im just at a point that I would prefer to move on than to be teased. But i get your point completely.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13756 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:37 pm to
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Just because you been on this board longer doesn’t mean you have good takes. Im not disagreeing with you. But its also a fact that in the same video he mentioned the trade rumor he answered a question about whether pelicans should include Zion in the trade and then gave his opinion. Again one video it wasn’t two different video clips. It seems its your assumption thats its insignificant and it doesn’t matter (again I could be wrong but just reading between your takes); people can also assume otherwise. Your takes are legally wrong(NDA), sexist(Zion’s ex trash) and extremely biased towards Zion. But i guess its ok because you been making trash takes on here longer than I joined. So go ahead take your seniority tigerdroppings trash takes, you’ve earned it for being a long time message board member.


Look, it is silly to continue to argue, especially over something that is likely never to happen. We both obviously have our views that the other is not going to change. I will try to do better to respect your opinion and not argue so passionately about something so trivial. Let's both just hope the team does whatever is better for the team even though we disagree on that path. Personally, I hope they find a way to win with both BI and Zion, but if not, I just hope they make the right call.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:43 pm to
Agreed. I’ll do a better job respecting your opinion as well. At the end of the day we’re both frustrated fans wanting our team to win. In all honesty, we should blame the pels organization for this argument lol I’m not sure what they’ll do but just hope that next year goes a lot better than last year.
Posted by PrayingMantis
Member since Jul 2013
1313 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:04 pm to
Yea 3pt and shots at the rim are the best shots. But also that’s why the first thing teams take away in the playoffs. Having a a guy who can make heavily contested 2s when you need a bucket is still incredibly valuable. People have gone too far against 2pt jumpers. The key is not to take them 2-3 feet inside the line or less. I don’t like how many games they have missed but I still believe in Zion and Ingram. We all know BI is a gym rat and wants to be the best in the world so I think he will get better and try and get more durable. I have less faith in Zion but he came in last year in the best shape he has been as a pro so at least he recognized he needed to lose weight. Hopefully he comes in even lighter this year. If he starts the season the same weight as last year we should actually consider trading him regardless how good he plays
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8257 posts
Posted on 6/13/23 at 11:18 pm to
Look at the list of teams over the last couple of decades that have won an nba title…they all had a player with generational/MVP talent on the roster, sometimes two of them.

If the Pels have any hope of winning a ‘ship, they’ll need Zion to get healthy and drag them to the promised land. Carry on.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
56579 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:19 am to
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Plus they both played 60 games in 2020, I’d be fine with just that for next season’s variant of the pelicans.
what was the record when both of them played that much
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:55 am to
Please tell me you didn’t just end your statement with a Kendrick Perkins saying smh.
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