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Posted on 11/27/23 at 10:57 pm to shel311
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You think we'll have perfect healthy for the final 55 games of the season?
Not at all.
In no world do I think they'll play 70 plus games this year, but shite 60 plus and we'll be fine.
It's not difficult math shel. Our star players played 29 and 50 games each last year, cj was injured, and we were still the 9 seed with a winning record. Even with nominal health we'll be a top 6 seed. We have 3 40% 3pt shooters injured and Zion is playing better and better.
We'll be fine.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 10:58 pm to medtiger
I’m getting some serious Dennis Allen vibes with that quote lol
Posted on 11/27/23 at 10:59 pm to medtiger
Well he’s not all wrong. We lost this game in large part at FT line. 68%
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:00 pm to Fenwick86
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Well he’s not all wrong. We lost this game in large part at FT line. 68%
That's literally not doing enough to win.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:00 pm to Fenwick86
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We lost this game in large part at FT line. 68%
Yep. Ingram has regressed at the line this year. It's fricking odd
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
Theres lot of variance unpredictability in this. A lot of this depends on other teams in west, trades, etc. Its really hard to compare one season to the next and be like if we stay healthy we’ll be ok. Theres no way to calculate all the other teams you face variance. I kind of agree you have to win whatever you can because last year win total could mean you’re out of play-in this year. You just dont know.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:01 pm to Broski
I feel like this happens every game. We’re 27th in the league- kind of who we are.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:02 pm to Broski
True but that’s what Willie meant by that, we make the free throws we’re supposed to, we win.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:05 pm to Terrific Tales
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It’s like you don’t understand basketball?
this is you, my man
you might be slow in the head if you think this team took enough 3s tonight. i mean shite even on the last play we opted to take a long 2 over a 3. it's just moronic basketball quote:
If they are shooting the same % on way more attempts that means they have better shooters than us
my man, are you good? ill break it down cause idk i cant tell if youre trolling or just ignorant
the jazz played 10 players tonight. combined, these 10 players are averaging 30.7 attempts per game from behind the 3-line. still with me?
the pelicans also played 10 players tonight. combined, these 10 players are averaging 29.1 attempts per game from behind the 3-line
idk where in the world you are getting "way more attempts from", but it's just not accurate bud
to recap, looking at the players who suited up for this game, we shoot around the same % from 3 on about the same amount of attempts. however, tonight one of these teams took 26 less attempts from 3. doesnt take an einstein to realize that is a problem
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:06 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:No 2 seasons are alike based on wins and seeding
In no world do I think they'll play 70 plus games this year, but shite 60 plus and we'll be fine.
It's not difficult math shel. Our star players played 29 and 50 games each last year, cj was injured, and we were still the 9 seed with a winning record. Even with nominal health we'll be a top 6 seed. We have 3 40% 3pt shooters injured and Zion is playing better and better.
Again, not banking this win just makes it tougher to withstand future injuries, which will happen.
If things are going well and we're the 6 seed in February with a small cushion on the play in teams and Zion goes down for 4 weeks, these not so important November games will suddenly become important, and we'll wish we had handled business to allow us a wider cushion to be able to withstand those future injuries to whoever that darn near 100% are gonna happen.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
So limiting Larry’s minutes . I would argue that happened tonight , without looking and nance is playing much fewer minutes than last year . It was rare for Billy to get in last year and Zeller is getting in games nightly .
We are actually pretty good ATO. This “fault” of Willie is greatly exaggerated . Tonight , off top of my head we got a made made Hawk 3 ato , a made catch and shoot midrange ato for BI, and had Zion in the lane with the ball In his hands at the end of the game .
In some post there are claims it’s so hard to win with stars missing games and being 500 is okay. next post by the same person is wanting to fire the coach . Willie coached this cursed team to 42 wins last year with anbd absurd amount of injuries and was a huge reason for the success the season prior.
We are actually pretty good ATO. This “fault” of Willie is greatly exaggerated . Tonight , off top of my head we got a made made Hawk 3 ato , a made catch and shoot midrange ato for BI, and had Zion in the lane with the ball In his hands at the end of the game .
In some post there are claims it’s so hard to win with stars missing games and being 500 is okay. next post by the same person is wanting to fire the coach . Willie coached this cursed team to 42 wins last year with anbd absurd amount of injuries and was a huge reason for the success the season prior.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:10 pm to jprdbulldog20
Dude THREE of our FOUR volume 3pt threats (not counting BI until he proves me wrong) weren’t playing
Our 3pt attempts have been down since Matt Ryan’s injury, and even before that as a team we take more 3s if CJ plays
It isn’t rocket science
Our 3pt attempts have been down since Matt Ryan’s injury, and even before that as a team we take more 3s if CJ plays
It isn’t rocket science
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:15 pm to Terrific Tales
so youre just gonna ignore the numbers im not disagreeing that we have 3pt shooters missing. and sure when we get these guys back, in theory our 3pt attempts will rise. thats just totally irrelevant to what my point has been. the point is that tonight in particular we did not shoot enough 3s and that is regardless of who was on the floor. the jazz didnt have lauri. by your logic, they shouldnt have taken many 3s cause theyre missing their main volume 3pt threat. it's 2023. you just cant only attempt 22 3s in a game no matter who is available for your team
im not disagreeing that we have 3pt shooters missing. and sure when we get these guys back, in theory our 3pt attempts will rise. thats just totally irrelevant to what my point has been. the point is that tonight in particular we did not shoot enough 3s and that is regardless of who was on the floor. the jazz didnt have lauri. by your logic, they shouldnt have taken many 3s cause theyre missing their main volume 3pt threat. it's 2023. you just cant only attempt 22 3s in a game no matter who is available for your team Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:15 pm to Fenwick86
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we make the free throws we’re supposed to
You don't know that. The whole game changes at that point. Maybe Utah keeps draining threes or feeding Kessler for dunks we couldn't stop or adjust to. Besides, we literally didn't do enough to win. That's why we lost.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:19 pm to Terrific Tales
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Dude THREE of our FOUR volume 3pt threats (not counting BI until he proves me wrong) weren’t playing
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It isn’t rocket science
Right. Between that and FT line woes, tough for us to overcome.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:22 pm to AboveTheRim
No one is saying fire Willie but hes not blameless either. Yes, I do question if Borrego might be better- I said question, not saying Willie should get fired. Thats your own exaggerated interpretation.
The ATO at the end of the game was a disaster- Willie does not get credit because the ball was in Zions hands. Plus that lineup had no JV where we again struggled just trying to grab a rebound.
Nance does not need to be playing at all. Since he plays Zeller and Nance- he’s effectively taking away JVs minutes who has been great this year. Nance has been a hugely disappointing this year- yet he keeps getting minutes because hes a mentor. Brings back memories of the Temple minutes.
Thats great Willie did all that. That doesn’t excuse him from being responsible for some of these losses. Its also apparent he has rotation flaws and game management issues. The close games he does lose amplify this.
The ATO at the end of the game was a disaster- Willie does not get credit because the ball was in Zions hands. Plus that lineup had no JV where we again struggled just trying to grab a rebound.
Nance does not need to be playing at all. Since he plays Zeller and Nance- he’s effectively taking away JVs minutes who has been great this year. Nance has been a hugely disappointing this year- yet he keeps getting minutes because hes a mentor. Brings back memories of the Temple minutes.
Thats great Willie did all that. That doesn’t excuse him from being responsible for some of these losses. Its also apparent he has rotation flaws and game management issues. The close games he does lose amplify this.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:23 pm to jprdbulldog20
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so youre just gonna ignore the numbers im not disagreeing that we have 3pt shooters missing. and sure when we get these guys back, in theory our 3pt attempts will rise. thats just totally irrelevant to what my point has been. the point is that tonight in particular we did not shoot enough 3s and that is regardless of who was on the floor. the jazz didnt have lauri. by your logic, they shouldnt have taken many 3s cause theyre missing their main volume 3pt threat. it's 2023. you just cant only attempt 22 3s in a game no matter who is available for your team
What you’re saying makes sense in a vacuum but contextually in the flow of the game it was hard to justify 3pt attempts as viable options when we missed 3 in a row multiple times
I agree sometimes you gotta just keep shooting them, but players who are better and higher volume shooters are going to be more willing to keep shooting when they’re slumping than non-volume shooters. That’s just reality
I agree that we should have taken more 3s tonight, I’m just saying I think we absolutely would have with our full complement of personnel
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:24 pm to whatiknowsofar
Quit shooting Dyson
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:25 pm to bengalmd
Pretty sure he is being told to shoot even if he misses. Thats part of the problem, we don’t have shooters and we’re giving green lights to guys who can’t shoot. The Matt Ryan injury really killed us in these games against the Jazz.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 11:26 pm
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