re: Pels vs Thunder: Z Day

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Screw it, I'll bite:

Embiid, can't remember the season but do recall him complaining and the fouls evening out - though I think that was more of the disparity between the two teams rather than one individual.

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But did they?

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Phil Jackson would do it all the time during games and after pressers and it most certainly worked for him both with Chicago and the Lakers (think the rigged series against the Kings, game 6 for example).

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I've never seen anyone argue that Kings game 6 happened because Phil worked the refs for calls. It's always been that shite was rigged, no? Didn't Donaghey ref that game also?

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Everything I and most of the posters are talking about is creating an awareness that Zion is not getting a fair whistle from refs.

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Like Shaq did?


Below are unassailable facts:

- you said if we complained, we would get more calls

- you said coaches/teams do that "every year" and it works

- despite saying it is happening every year, you can't provide 1 single example of it EVER happening

- an example was posted with the Shaq interview, you piggybacked on that one as the one example to prove me wrong

- the actual facts and data on the Shaq example in no uncertain terms support what I've said and is the complete opposite of what you said



Again, those are all facts.

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NBA players over the last 25 years to average 10+ FGA per game in the “restricted area” and not average 10+ free throws: Russell Westbrook: 2019-20
Zion Williamson: 19-20, 20-21, 22-23

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Damn. That's tough.

You're really out here taking up for refs lmfao

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LMAO, you can't know the series because I can't even remember the series I am referring to. Probably because I never thought I'd have to prove such a specific thing lol

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So you're telling me of an example but you have no idea which series it was but it's definitely proof even though you don't even know the series but just trust you... is that what you're saying? Because that is exactly what you're saying.

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Here’s a breakdown of multiple times Phil Jackson complained about the refs and the subsequent results. 7 times it worked, a couple times it didn’t, and a couple times it was inconclusive.

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So then if it works sometimes and doesn't work other times, then my question would be did it actually work? It sounds like exactly what would happen if he did not complain, sometimes you get more calls the following game and sometimes you don't or just randomness from game to game.

Sometimes we shoot 12 FTs then the very best game we shoot 28 FTs with no one complaining, just randomness. Another question I'd ask, don't we all, myself included, complain that the Lakers almost always get the calls? So then isn't it skewed to say it worked because the Lakers got the calls the next game, when 1 of our arguments is that they almost always get the calls?

Why did it work sometimes but not others?

And 1 more note, to the other poster flipping out about this, he specifically said it wouldn't happen the very next game, and your link uses the next games results. It was mentioned CJ complaining on the national Windhorst pod and Zion has since shot 3 FTs in 2 games and that poster stated it would take more games, so only specific to that poster, his logic or actual direct words were that the very next game would not see results since it takes time for that word to travel to the refs or some shite, I don't know.


But given the CJ complaining, the Embiid fine, the Shaq fine, your posts where sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't work. Kinda feels like it's all random to me.

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Shel is a disingenuous douche bag

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You can't argue any facts, all you're doing is crying and name calling.

Provide something, anything of substance and maybe I'll consider caring about your post instead of just making you look foolish like I did over and over and over last night.

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who wants to be provided objective proof

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All I asked you was to recall ONE single instance of something you said happens every year, and you admitted that you couldn't even remember ONE single instance.

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To want numerical proof of this from past games is absurd

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It's absurd to ask for 1 single example of something you claimed we see every year? You sure about that?

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Utter stupidity and again just completely disingenuous

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What would you call someone who says that something happens every year but can't recall any single example of it ever happening?

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Just shows he’s a hypocrite. It’s no longer worth arguing with this troll.

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Remember when you piggybacked on the Shaq interview and how it proved me wrong, then called me a dumbass because I showed you that Shaq actually got a worse whistle after he did that? Yea, that was me making you look foolish because you can't have a simple debate without losing your shite. So now I make you look foolish, although you're doing a great job doing that on your own without me.

You've yet to argue any facts, just crying about nonsense. Get ahold of yourself, come back prepared to discuss this...or continue crying, up to you.

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Actually it worked for Phil Jackson more often than it didn’t, which would be evidence, even if not totally conclusive, that pointing it out to the refs may have a slight effect.

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only if you believe the Lakers were not typically the beneficiary of getting calls, correct?

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Zion is not getting officiated fairly and we don’t have much recourse other than trying to bring more attention to it.

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I know teams meet with NBA reps on things like this and create video packages of their guys not getting calls. I think those types of things can actually sometimes help get a better whistle.

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If it’s probably not going to do anything

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THANK YOU.

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You're welcome


So now you agree with me?