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Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:00 am to Macintosh
I agree with you on this but this is where my issue with Willie comes up. You’re going against AD front line of the lakers and you decide go small with Zion at the 5. Fully knowing Zion doesn’t rebound at all. The Lakers destroyed us during these lineups. This is where I say yes a lot of this loss was on the players but Willie deserves blame here as well. For instance, Lebron was constantly sitting on Zion so the adjustment would be to use Zion as a screener. For some reason your best floor spacer(Trey) played only 9 minutes in the first half. None if these things make sense and things just snoballed. What worries me not only did Lebron outplay our players, I honestly think he also outcoached Willie Green. Darvin Ham is just a placeholder- the team is fully run by Lebron.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:11 am to Pels_Yaz
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Fully knowing Zion doesn’t rebound at all. The Lakers destroyed us during these lineups
This is zion not Willie. Zion is fully capable of rebounding enough to make the small ball work for stretches. Yet he goes out there and grabs 2 rebounds all nights. That’s an effort thing. Willie is playing lineups that work in theory. Zion and BI blow up that theory because they aren’t that good. His alternative right now when JV sits it to play Zeller or JRE. Neither are good options
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:17 am to Pels_Yaz
A gentle reminder we were up 1 at the end of the first….
So we basically lost a 3/4 game 104 -59
Absolutely and embarrassingly s**t the bed in national television. Outworked, outhustled, outcoached.
No one cares if we lose playing hard and playing our best... we played utterly pathetic and did everything wrong.
The team went to Vegas like that was some kind of success. We achieved absolutely nothing.
They went to make up the numbers and enjoy the experience.
Without exception they Should all feel embarrassed and ashamed by that performance. Sadly I think none will.
It was a 2am - 5am game… it’s my own choice to watch live, of course… just tired of being repeatedly disappointed, angry and making excuses for this team.
So we basically lost a 3/4 game 104 -59
Absolutely and embarrassingly s**t the bed in national television. Outworked, outhustled, outcoached.
No one cares if we lose playing hard and playing our best... we played utterly pathetic and did everything wrong.
The team went to Vegas like that was some kind of success. We achieved absolutely nothing.
They went to make up the numbers and enjoy the experience.
Without exception they Should all feel embarrassed and ashamed by that performance. Sadly I think none will.
It was a 2am - 5am game… it’s my own choice to watch live, of course… just tired of being repeatedly disappointed, angry and making excuses for this team.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 1:18 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 1:23 am to Balsamic_duck
Yeah but I guess if you’re a coach and you can’t motivate your guy to rebound and you know he won’t rebound, then why play him at the 5 for long stretches when AD is still on the court. Not to mention his defense is horrendous which Willie knows as well. I can’t excuse Willie for playing him knowing full well he doesn’t defend or rebound and AD is still out there for them. In all honesty it would have been better to play Zeller or JRE when AD is there than Zion.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:22 am to shel311
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still believing Zion is just working his way into shape this season
No one believes that anymore.
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not knowing this is just what he'll be all season.
And now we're back to being silly.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:34 am to whatiknowsofar
So you literally just said you don't believe Zion will work his way into shape but it's silly to think Zion won't work his way into shape 
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:37 am to shel311
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So you literally just said you don't believe Zion will work his way into shape but it's silly to think Zion won't work his way into shape
No, I just think it's silly to think he's incapable of change, even though the start of this season hasn't been what it should be.
CJ is telling you he's doing extra conditioning, i think it's a consistency issue that can be corrected, but for the first time I don't really know if he'll do it.
But to write the team off like you and others have after 25 games is silly, especially when they've shown you that they can change their style of play.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:58 am to whatiknowsofar
Sons. Last night was awful, but when Bron is hitting from 32 feet and their terrible wings are drilling 3s, there is not much we can do. I’m glad they got this experience. Burn the tape and move on. Got a great chance on Monday against a solid Minny team to right the ship.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:21 am to Solo
Look, we played terrible, but we simply couldn’t make a shot. We shot 36% from the field, and that wasn’t b/c of their defense or bad shots. We just couldn’t make a shot. JV missed like 6 wide open jump shots he usually makes, BI had almost every mid range shot go in and out and CJ couldn’t find the bottom of the net either. It happens.
And the 2nd worst 3 point shooting team in the league shoots 48% from 3.
Not much you can do about that.
And the 2nd worst 3 point shooting team in the league shoots 48% from 3.
Not much you can do about that.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:28 am to whatiknowsofar
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I just think it's silly to think he's incapable of change
Why?
Basic human psychology says otherwise AND so far, he's been rewarded with millions of dollars without change.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:29 am to Solo
Don’t burn the tape. Have it on replay reminding the team of how embarrassing they were
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:03 am to Sheep
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Why?
Basic human psychology says otherwise AND so far, he's been rewarded with millions of dollars without change.
Are we forgetting last season already when he came into the season in better shape?
Zion has already shown you that he can change, it's a consistency question at this point, and I think, again, it's silly to think we have all the answers after less than 30 games played.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:07 am to whatiknowsofar
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Are we forgetting last season already when he came into the season in better shape?
That lasted a whole 2 months before he got hurt and got fat again. 2 months of being in shape doesn’t mean he changed. That’s like an alcoholic not drinking for 2 days and saying theyre sober
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:11 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:5 years...
No, I just think it's silly to think he's incapable of change,
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:15 am to shel311
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5 years...
Ok shel. We get it. You're totally out on Zion and this team as presently constructed
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:21 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:Ok WIKSF. We get it. You're totally in on Zion changing despite Zion not changing for 5 years now...
Ok shel. We get it. You're totally out on Zion and this team as presently constructed
Just like every discussion, you get real pissy when others don't share your opinion. You're here posting too, I'm not complaining about you giving your opinion on a message board. No need for you to do so.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:39 am to shel311
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Just like every discussion, you get real pissy when others don't share your opinion.
Yeah that's not true. I've agreed to disagree with a lot of posters. Just like I did with you.
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You're totally in on Zion changing despite Zion not changing for 5 years now...
Did Zion never change? Or is he still just a 23 year old that can be dominant if he grows up just a little bit more?
He was putting up 25 plus on 60+% fg shooting, and none of this stuff about it "never working" was brought up. We get blown out because the guys most likely partied the night before (another discussion), and we're ready to etch shite in stone.
We keep looking for things to find wrong with Zion, that's fine, he should prove it but he should also be allowed to prove it over the course of a full season, not 23 games. I'd rather see at least the majority of the season play out and Zion and Ingram stay healthy, because here's the crazy thing: we can still win a lot of games when they play.
And if they don't it's obviously over and a lot of dudes on this team won't be here next year.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:41 am to shel311
Also,
Bro you passive aggressively call out people all the time.
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I'm not complaining about you giving your opinion on a message board
Bro you passive aggressively call out people all the time.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:49 am to whatiknowsofar
The "ok we get it, Shel" is just weird and weird timing given you told us all season for 23 games not to worry and he's working himself into shape, and after last night you now concede that wasn't the case . Would it be fair for everyone to have given you the "ok, we get it" for all the times you said that above before finally conceding? 
quote:Nope. People love to say this. I only debate posts and opinions respectfully. When other take a shot at me, I'll fire back. That's my MO and I stick to that. You don't have to believe it, but you'd be wrong...just like thinking Zion would work himself into shape
Bro you passive aggressively call out people all the time.
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