re: Pelicans at Jazz Streaking over Jazz 128 Pels 120

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You'll have them til the deadline. Bring back a few in the trade.

You can add some more in the offseason.

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So yet rid of good vets and bring in lesser vets?

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If this theory were as true as it was teams like Milwaukee and Philly woudnt be dominating

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Funny you use Philly who had... JJ Redick.

This team needs to slooooow down. I know all the rage is pace right now but 7 out of the top 10 teams in pace have losing records. It causes fatigue, carelessness, and lack of communication in defense.

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You truly are a dumbass. You want to trade vets that are currently playing very well, for what? More young people that would make our team worse? And stunt the growth of our current core?

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I want to use the positive assets we have to continue attaining assets more aligned with the time schedule it is increasingly apparent we are on.

That is not an endorsement of abandoning veteran leadership indefinitely. I would go after mostly vets in free agency for instance. But it is admitting that a few more won games past the all-star break while still falling short of the playoffs is not worth the return that many of these veterans can fetch that align better with our time schedule.

If you truly think JJ Redick and Derrick Favors will demonstrably change the career trajectory of Ingram and Zion with the 30 or so more games past the all-star break, I'll hear the argument, but I am not convinced that bringing back an Oubre type player wouldn't be the better long-term move for Zion/Ingram focused team that is likely a few seasons off from really competing

We are a winning team w Zion

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You do know that you don't want an entire 22 man roster on the exact same schedule, right?

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You literally quoted the part where I said I would still infuse vet leadership on this team. Will the talent level be that of Jrue? Obviously not, but Jrue is increasingly, unfortunately, not looking to be on this era's time schedule. And as much as I love him, I would rather get something than see him walk for nothing in two seasons after maybe, in a best-case scenario, sneaking into the playoffs and winning a round.

There is value in Griffin's philosophy, but it makes little sense to anchor ourselves to vets that could produce positive long-term value on the increasingly longer time schedule it seems we have, then playing out their contracts and having a Ryno/Gordon situation where you have offers of a first on the table and turn them down only for those players to predictably walk to contenders in their twilight age.

I'm just saying unless things turn around in a huge way, I would consider moving them for assets on our time schedule. Use FA to replenish some lost veteran leadership, and frankly, bring in a different coach that is more disciplined, structured, and leadership-focused.

how about this Albert who are we trading for and how does everything work out? I mean you seem to think you have it all figured out

don't worry he'll come back with something like 2 or 3 paragraph bs that doesn't answer your question

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With what roster spots.

We have a deep team with decent dudes unable to get on the court now. Now you want more assets, more vets, and don't forget we'll be getting two 1st rounders for a couple of seasons.

Where are you putting all these young guys since you're giving up on the next 3 seasons?

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I’m not giving up on anything. I’m just theorizing around the increasingly likely reality here. Which is barring Zion really is the second coming, and leads a huge turnaround, that our time schedule is further out than we once thought, and the best long term play is to flip the assets we have that aren’t on that time schedule for ones that could be. As Jrue is not coming back unless you have a good argument to overpay a 32 year old vet guard to not contender chase. JJ will maybe have a season or two left in the tank after his contract here ends in 21(at 37 years old), and he will go to the strongest contender out there.

Moving them around the deadline, or maybe the offseason - as I already noted - you are also doing right by these vets.


As to too much talent? I wish. We have only 4 players past the 2020 season(Ingram, Zion, Hayes, NAW) that I would say are definitively part of the near future beyond next season. 2 more(Hart, Williams) that make sense to keep on the right salary. And one wild card(Didi). With our picks and essentially two additional Lakers picks. Plus some future late firsts and a prospect(assuming you move Jrue/Reddick), I’m not really seeing the problem yet? As I am willing to bet there is a godfather move coming at some point in the next one to three seasons by Griffin. And based on his talk, he also believes heavily in maintaining a steady young talent pipeline in an increasingly volatile league with so much top level player movement.

Also, would like to add..

Lonzo, you're not Harden, stop it with the stepback 3's.

Shoot all the catch and shoot 3's you want, just throw out the stepback, you would probably be pretty close to 42% on just c&s