re: Objectively, should we be 1-10?

Bro nba teams can tighten up in the second half. Make adjustments. Start playing actual defense. The pels are not an nba team and haven’t been for years.

We were 1-5 even with BI, and looked terrible.
This isn't a good team even when healthy, and that is what's disturbing.
Every team deals with injuries, and there are several teams with stars out, and the 2nd best player missing games in there too and they don't go 1-5.

Philly last 5 games

Knicks L - no Simmons, Harris, Embiid
Bulls W - no Simmons, Harris
Pistons W - no Simmons, Harris
Bulls W - no Simmons, Harris
Blazers W - no Simmons, Harris, Embiid

Nuggets playing without Murray 6-4. Played with out MPJ last night and kicked the Heats arse. MPJ will be out for the "foreseeable future". Bet they don't go 1-5.
GSW playing without Klay 9-1
Dallas played 5 games without Porzingis 7-3 (3-2 without Porzingis)
Clippers playing without Kawhi 6-4
Lakers played 5 games without Lebron (3-2), AD is a bitch 6-5
Bucks are 4-6, Jrue has missed 7 games, Middleton 4, Portis 5, Lopez 9.
Pacers are 4-7, no all stars, Warren has missed all games, Levert missed 6, Brogdon missed 5.
Raptors are 6-5. Siakam has played 1 game. They have ZERO all stars and got nothing in return for losing Kawhi and Lowry the last two offseasons, unlike us with AD and Jrue, nor have they had the #1, #4, #10 and #13 pick the last 3 years (they made 2 first round picks the last 4 years, Barnes, and #29 Flynn).


on a different note, the Hawks have been completely healthy, and they are 4-7.



Should we be 1-10? No.
Am i surprised we are 1-10? No.
I'm not saying our team as is without BI and Zion should be able to win more. The fact that they aren't capable of it is where the problem lies, and that's b/c of the Griffin. We've had zero stability the last 3 years from a coaching perspective, we've drafted average at best, and we have had piss poor offseasons that don't address the needs of the team. That's why we are 1-10, yet again, and that solely falls on shite mouth Griffin.

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The difference between us and everyone you posted is they all still have their best player, we don't.

Also, Lakers are 2-3 without Lebron, not 3-2. Their win came last night in OT against the Hornets and their other one against the Spurs. This is while still having AD, Westbrook AND Melo, their 2nd, 3rd and 4th best players, something we don't have, along with playing the 2nd easiest schedule in the NBA so far.

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It's a difference maker because teams will not be able to sag off Val to double Ingram or Zion, they will have to respect Val ability to hit the 3, even if that goes down to 35% on 4 per game.

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Not at 2 a game with that slow release.

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Temple is literally shooting his career average. Hart is shooting the same average he shot his rookie season. There's plenty reason to believe they can keep it up.

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And you are assuming better than best case scenario for each. Temple is literally shooting his career average of 34.6% and you are gifting him above 36%.

Hart has shot 33.6% his last three seasons, and you are just assuming he's turned into a 39% shooter

Could it happen? yes, but that is NOT the likely outcome, and this sort of magical thinking is what gets fans into trouble with unrealistic expectations.

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I think how much our stars make is sort of irrelevant for us because no FA of any value wants to come here.

With a franchise like us, you have to:

Be perfect with draft picks almost every time.

Develop your talent really really well around the margins

Strike gold on guys no one expects to do anything

Be successful enough to have vets actually want to sign with you after 3-5 years of success.

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they don't have a choice when you trade for them.

We collected all these trade assets in the AD/Jrue trade, once called a treasure trove, yet it's been getting robbed every offseason by shite mouth Griffin.

What was once, BI, Lonzo, Hart, Bledsoe, #4, and 5 1sts (the pick swaps are worthless), is now BI, Val and 3 1sts, while possibly costing this years first.
We basically wasted Lonzo, #4, and 3 firsts, with nothing to show for it.
Even if we wanted to make a big move this trade deadline, our best asset to offer up is our '24 1st, which is the first one we can offer b/c of the idiotic Graham "FA signing". We have no players worth a shite to offer up, since we wouldn't be offering BI or Zion, and our 1sts aren't even attractive anymore.

Bravo Griffin. Bravo.

The MF Wizards put together a better roster in one offseason, with a Westbrook trade made of the Laker players we didn't want, than Griffin has in 3 years.

The shite Griffin has us running out there every night is pathetic, and the fact that people actually defend it is even worse.

Forget what the record is right now, only three of these guys even look like NBA players, 4 if you count Herb. So, even with Zion and BI back, we'd just be able to cobble together a starting 5 of actual NBA talent. Still absolutely pathetic.

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The MF Wizards put together a better roster in one offseason

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They literally have almost the same roster as last year, just added Kuzma (overrated), Harrel (unplayable most of the time), KCP, and Dinwiddie (who Griff also went after, Dinwiddie's friendship with Beal swayed his decision).

Would you have wanted to trade Ingram for Kuzma, KCP and Harrel?

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The difference between us and everyone you posted is they all still have their best player, we don't.

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We played 6 games with BI. we were 1-5. I made sure to point that out.


Is Kawhi, Lebron, Siakam, Embiid (who's about to miss the next 2 weeks) not the best player?

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Also, Lakers are 2-3 without Lebron, not 3-2

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my bad, and AD is a proven bitch, so it's not surprising. If they didn't have Westbrook it would be 1-4 at best despite playing one of the easiest schedules.

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Yeah see, on a keyboard the 5 and 6 are right next to each other.

You think I would've said there's 6 guys shooting 36% or better when I literally put 2 on there that's shooting 35%?

It's called a typo.

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League average for threes over the last three seasons is slightly above 36%.

You claimed Griff has gone out and built a team of shooters around Zion and BI, but only one guy on this roster has proven himself to be an above average three point shooter on moderate volume besides BI.

So in reality we have a roster of guys around BI and Zion that are mostly below average shooters. Or do so on such low volume it's not going to materially affect spacing.