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Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:39 pm to TotesMcGotes
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often get the other team’s broadcast and some of those guys just downright disrespect Lonzo
The raptors a-hole broadcast team that I had to sit through begged him to shot 3s. One pacers guy said "he's not a 3 point shooter and never will be"
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:49 pm to NOSHAU
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I can't believe anyone took Hart serious when he made that comment. There is no way that the shooting coach tells Hart that he does not have time to work with him. I have seen previous shooting coaches working with end of bench players routinely, so it would be hard to believe that someone like Hart is told that Vinson will not work with him.
Seriously shut the frick, you didn't hear the comment and weren't even aware of it until I found it for you. And your immediate reaction was to apply cognitive dissonance before even hearing it.
And now you are still doing it.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:53 pm to NOSHAU
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Randle and Ball did not play together with the Pelicans. Hanson was also the coach who worked with the bigs.
Vinson is a SHOOTING coach(now assistant as well).
He worked with anyone wanting to work on their shot, which included Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, Anthony Davis, Dante Cunningham, Lonzo Ball, BI, and Zion.
But please, tell me more about how Hart is just lying about not having the oppurtunity yet to work with Vinson and how we should in no way believe that Hart would not also be a success story.
....Seriously, the weird mental gymnastics people wrap themselves into to try and defend their stan players
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:59 pm to TigerinATL
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It didn't sound like a joke. Maybe the limitations were coming more from Josh's schedule than Vinson's, because I definitely can see the team expecting Vinson to make himself available to players like you're saying. But maybe Josh only wanted to work within 2 hours before or after practice and that's when Vinson was already booked with Zion/Ingram/Lonzo?
I mean he went into brief detail on the podcast, Vinson simply did not have space in his schedule even though Hart was trying to maneuver whatever he could around to get some one-on-one time.
Remember, Vinson is also an assistant coach. So he is not just sitting around waiting on players to call him about shooting, not to mention Covid protocols arent just a game thing, they dictate facility use and coach work as well. All in a hyper-short and condensed offseason.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:34 pm to Bronc
quote:Or the people who really think that a staff would refuse to help certain players who request the help. Absolutely ludicrous. Even in this crazy offseason when practices were limited to a lower number of players at a time, unless you believe that the Pels booked up all the times with players not named Hart. Thought this was about Hart, yet you want to bring up other players.
But please, tell me more about how Hart is just lying about not having the oppurtunity yet to work with Vinson and how we should in no way believe that Hart would not also be a success story.
....Seriously, the weird mental gymnastics people wrap themselves into to try and defend their stan players
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:46 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Right, the guys that are saying this, I don't really see them complaining about it.
Even in this crazy offseason when practices were limited to a lower number of players at a time, unless you believe that the Pels booked up all the times with players not named Hart.
If I truly believed this was 100% accurate and not tongue in cheek, I'd be calling out the horrendous mismanagement of our organization and how that would speak to something much, much more troubling in the big picture.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:47 pm to NOSHAU
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Yeah. or the people who really think that a staff would refuse to help certain players who request the help. Absolutely ludicrous. Even in this crazy offseason when practices were limited to a lower number of players at a time, unless you believe that the Pels booked up all the times with players not named Hart.
So we went from trying to dismiss it by claiming it was a joke despite not even listening or being aware of the podcast to now just calling Hart a liar.
This is some seriously laughable confirmation bias rationalization going on.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:49 pm to shel311
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Right, the guys that are saying this, I don't really see them complaining about it.
I mean you all are free to listen to the podcast, he’s not making it up.
He wanted to get some time in with Vinson one on one and couldn’t due to all the issues in offseason, other players having priority, and the shortness of it. Said he will try again next off season because trying to change his shot in season, and under all the chaos of this season, would probably do more harm than good.
Do some of you think that Vinson can simply do a full rebuild on every players form that wants it in two weeks?
While also juggling acclimating himself to an entire new coaching staff and system as he is also an assistant?
The guy isn’t magical
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:55 pm to Bronc
quote:Then red flags and panic buttons should be going off in full force right now, that's just complete mismanagement.
I mean you all are free to listen to the podcast, he’s not making it up.
quote:I mean, how many hours realistically per week do you think he's working with Lonzo?
Do some of you think that Vinson can simply do a full rebuild on every players form that wants it in two weeks?
quote:It shouldn't take magic for a rotation player to get just 1 session with the shooting coach.
The guy isn’t magical
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:01 pm to shel311
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Then red flags and panic buttons should be going off in full force right now, that's just complete mismanagement
Training camp started December 3rd, our first preseason game was dec 13th, first regular season game Dec 23rd. Any practice use required a rigorous process of testing and the schedule was incredibly tight and League had restriction how much time any given player or team could hold physical activities due to CBA and league negotiations around player health.
You think Vinson is just some magical entity that was going to learn all of the new system as a full time assistant, run training camp, was having to use before and after practice to just get in work with BI, Zion, and Lonzo on their shooting, AND was supposed to have time to rebuild Josh Hart’s shot.
Tell me when was this supposed to happen?
As Josh Hart specifically said, it didn’t because the chaos, suddenness, restrictions, and scheduling made it too difficult to truly find the time he felt he needed and he didn’t want to do it in-season because he thought it would be more harmful than helpful
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:14 pm to Bronc
looks like no trade for lonzo is slightly favored
and yes trade for JJ is also slightly favored
and yes trade for JJ is also slightly favored
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:38 pm to shel311
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Then red flags and panic buttons should be going off in full force right now, that's just complete mismanagement.
It's like y'all have forgotten what the early training camp was like. Initially, the staff was only allowed to have two or three players in the facility at the same time, and they weren't allowed to work with players outside of the facility.
There were all sorts of COVID stipulations in place for training camp that might mean that Vinson wouldn't be able to work with Hart on his shot mechanics. It's absolutely believable.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:11 pm to Bronc
quote:Man, why do you keep pretending it would take an act of magic to get 1 session with Josh Hart when you're admitting he was spending a shite ton of time with Lonzo?
You think Vinson is just some magical entity that was going to learn all of the new system as a full time assistant, run training camp, was having to use before and after practice to just get in work with BI, Zion, and Lonzo on their shooting, AND was supposed to have time to rebuild Josh Hart’s shot.
quote:You know ALL that time with Lonzo you keep talking about, divy that up. It's that simple, not even magical.
Tell me when was this supposed to happen?
quote:And yet a bunch of time was made for Lonzo? Seems contradictory.
As Josh Hart specifically said, it didn’t because the chaos, suddenness, restrictions, and scheduling made it too difficult to truly find the time
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Again, which is it?
It's like y'all have forgotten what the early training camp was like. Initially, the staff was only allowed to have two or three players in the facility at the same time, and they weren't allowed to work with players outside of the facility.
Early training camp was crazy times with time constraints or that Vinson was constantly working with Lonzo so there was no time for Hart? Seems the insinuation is that BOTH of these things were so, and they're in direct contradiction of each other.
If times were legit crazy, and no players were getting a lot of time, then you'd have a point. But that is not what is being said here.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:25 pm to shel311
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Man, why do you keep pretending it would take an act of magic to get 1 session with Josh Hart when you're admitting he was spending a shite ton of time with Lonzo?
Y’all are both on some dumb shite right now, leaving your brains at the door to chase these confirmation bias narratives you want.
You here ignoring evidence three posters have made clear to you both in order to force these narratives you want to be true about the staff being incompetent, NOSHAU because he wants to shite on Hart because for some reason he thinks it elevates his stan boy Lonzo.
Again, listen to the fricking podcast.
You don’t rebuild your shot in one hour.
Hart wanted to rework his form and release completely. Was trying to maneuver the chaos and tight schedule of the offseason to do so, but ultimately decided that there wasn’t the space or time to get with Vinson because of his prior commitments and the lack of adequate additional space in the offseason schedule.
The league had restrictions on the amount of players that can work together with coaches outside specifically scheduled and allowed practices, the amount of time allotted for those activities, and who can use the facility, which was hard capped.
Like were some of you just dead asleep during all the offseason craziness? This is well known stuff.
Again, where is this magical time you think there was in 2-3 weeks to rebuild Hart’s shot??
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:37 pm to Bronc
quote:Yea, training camp was crazy, Vinson had a long list of shite to do per you, Vinson was also spending crazy amounts of time with Lonzo, but Vinson had no time to spend with Hart.
Y’all are both on some dumb shite right now, leaving your brains at the door to chase these confirmation bias narratives you want.
THAT is "dumb shite" if you're being remotely logical for just 1 second.
You gotta pick 1 argument and run with it. When you have 2 entirely contradictory arguments, that's really not gonna work.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:39 pm to shel311
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If times were legit crazy, and no players were getting a lot of time, then you'd have a point. But that is not what is being said here.
Do you actually think you come across as intelligent making these braindead arguments?
Time is not an unlimited resource. And this is a business. Those resources are going to be given to the most important players, and Hart, unlike some of you, realizes this.
The team had two to three weeks bringing in a new staff, holding training camp, implementing two new systems that affect the coaching and player side of the team, conduct full training camp and 5 on 5 practices, hold conditioning training, rehab, film study, walkthroughs, drills, and guys like Vinson had allotted commitments to Lonzo/BI/Zion for individual workouts.
All under the umbrella of severe restrictions on facility use, the amount of time players were allowed to spend with staff during non-designated periods alloyed for specific team purposes, the amount of people that could be in the facility during non-sanctioned sessions limited, the amount of players and coaches during non sanctioned periods hard capped. Negative tests were required before use, and obviously your star players get priority.
Again, what magical period of time was the staff supposed to carve out so Hart could rebuild his release and shot? That is not an hour long process, it is something that took BI and Lonzo months to work on last year. Zion is a year in and still working on his.
They aren’t going to take time away from Lonzo/BI/Zion for good reason, so where is this magical period of time you think was so easily available that the staff just mismanaged????
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 4:51 pm to shel311
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You gotta pick 1 argument and run with it. When you have 2 entirely contradictory arguments, that's really not gonna work.
There is nothing contradictory in accepting the evidence we have and acknowledging that time is a limited resource and that when it’s availability was more scarce than it has ever been in league history that there simply wasn’t a way to carve out the necessary amount of time Vinson and Hart felt was needed to adequately do a complete overhaul of his shooting mechanics before starting the season given prior commitments and the constraints of the situation.
I mean do you think Hart is a liar? Do you think Vinson is a piece of shite that just can’t manage his time?
Seems to me you are chasing this motivated reasoning of yours and continue to leave your brain turned off to do it, and no offense, it comes off like I am talking to someone that’s trying to use short bus logic to sound smart.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 7:04 pm to Bronc
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The guy isn’t magical
Evidence says he is a damn wizard and has basketball talent granting powers.
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