re: Just out of curiosity...on BI...which of the following scenarios would you be happy to do?

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Uhm... 6.1 and 6.2 is not more than 6 per game.

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Are 6.1 and 6.2 equal to or less than 6?

I get the point you tried to make, but let’s not be ridiculous with algebra.

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This is also not correct.

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See, what i didn't say was, Trey averaed 16/7/3 when BI was hurt for those 12 games at the end of the season.

What i said was Trey replaced BI in 14 games this season, 14 games, not 12, 14 games, throughout the whole season, not just the 12 games at the end of the season as you are trying to say.
In those 14 games, he averaged 16.3 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 2.7 assists. And he shot 35.5% from 3 in those 14 games.

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From 3/22 to 4/12, Trey averaged17.5/7/3.

He averaged 17.5 points 12.2 shots, uber effiecient.

As a comparison, the previous 14 games BI played before injury, he averaged 18.6ppt on 14.2. Much less efficient.

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But was it "much less efficient"?

56.85% eFG% in those 12 games at the end of the season without BI.
60.98% eFG% in those 14 games before that, with BI.

Are you trying to tell me 56.85% is more efficient than 60.98%?

edit: My bad, i'm an idiot. You were saying BI averaged 18.6ppg in those 14 games. not Trey. I"m not always the best at reading comprehension.
I'll still leave it up there though b/c Trey was more efficient with BI, than without.

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What has changed from the last 2-3 season til now?

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He has an actual PG to play with. Reminder that his best +/- teammate the last 2 years was Jose.

Maybe Zion actually takes over the #1 spot on the team......20 games into the season when he is in shape.

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Because you and this other guy are completely ignoring the implications. Put on your "realist" brain for a second and try to process that....

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If you aren't able to process or understand those implications then I don't know what to tell you.

What has changed from the last 2-3 season til now? His fricking career is on the line....

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You get real cocky and arrogant while also missing some very obvious holes in your nonsensical arguments, it's funny every time.


Question, why hasn't BI secured the bag been signed to a max extension already? I'll hang up and listen....Right now the lightbulb should be going off in your head to see the fatal flaw in your thought process, let's see if you can actually see the AND admit you missed it...

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He is capable and there's more on the line. Those are both facts.

You just do not think it will happen.

You realize that's a pessimistic view right?

In a normal year without obvious implications I'd probably agree with you. BI has a higher level of situational self awareness at this point.

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Question, why hasn't BI secured the bag been signed to a max extension already?

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We all know the answer to this.
No one is argueing that he should get a max contract right now. No one.
No one is saying he has played to a caliber that we need on this team the last 2-3 years.

What's being argued is that many of you think it's not possible for him to play better this year with the changes that have been made to the team, along with the motivation he has financially.

As Dan said, there's a pessimistic view of BI's future this year for us from the majority of this board. I'm not sayign it's not based in a lot of realistic facts and opinions, and i'm not saying he's going to change and be great this year. We don't know. But many of you don't even want to give him the chance.
I am simply OPTIMISTIC that he can be the guy we need him to be this year, and I get that some of you don't want to feel that way. It still really rubs me the wrong way with how he acted in the last game of the season pouting on the bench. And I have to say it really irritated me that he didn't play Monday, even if that wasn't his decision and knowing that many people sit out preseason games. We just had major changes to our roster, no one has a clue what our starting lineup looks like, we have a new PG to implement to the team with BI and Zion playing more off ball, and we aren't going to try that out in the first preseason game when everyone is healthy?

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We all know the answer to this.

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Right

It's the same thing as the Zion offseason stuff, where many posters are 100% absolutely certain Zion was going to be in the best shape of his life because he said he's coming for revenge. In that thread, I said he may absolutely do that, never argued he wouldn't. I simply said from a realistic perspective, we've been there and done that multiple offseason, so choosing to blindly believe he is 100% going to do it THIS time is just that, a blind belief. It may happen, you may be "right" but not for any logical reasons.

Same thing applies to BI here. There's been any number of a bunch of reasons why BI should have done this the last 3 years, but he didn't. Same reasons apply this year. He may do it, but just like with Zion above, there isn't much of a reason to blindly believe it is absolutely going to happen, sign me up, throw down big bets on it...nah, no thanks.

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I'm not sayign it's not based in a lot of realistic facts and opinions, and i'm not saying he's going to change and be great this year. We don't know.

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You and I are in complete agreement, what's the issue here?

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But many of you don't even want to give him the chance.

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Not sure what this means. if you're referring to trading him. If we could get a decent value, which obviously we can't, trading him is rather obviously the correct play.

Does it truly make sense to not trade him and get that mythical value per this hypothetical, and instead hope and pray he's going to do the thing you've begged him to do for the past 3 seasons and he hasn't done? Why would you do that over just getting some value for him?

If that's what you mean by not giving him the chance, no we should not given him the chance if we can trade him.


But there's no market for him, so in the realistic sense, I have no clue what you mean by not giving him the chance. How would we not give him a chance realistically right now going forward?

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And I have to say it really irritated me that he didn't play Monday, even if that wasn't his decision and knowing that many people sit out preseason games. We just had major changes to our roster, no one has a clue what our starting lineup looks like, we have a new PG to implement to the team with BI and Zion playing more off ball, and we aren't going to try that out in the first preseason game when everyone is healthy?

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Another reason to question just how bought in he is.


As I've said, he may very well shoot 6 3s per game, and Zion may be in great shape and trying on defense from day 1...those things may happen, certainly. But there isn't much reason or logic to blindly trust and assume it will happen. We all HOPE it'll happen. The facts tell us we SHOULD be very cautious about it though, for both of them.