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re: How many runs and end of games will CJ ruin???
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:56 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:56 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I posted data, data are facts.
No I disagree with the fact that CJ could kill someone and you'd defend him with your life. It's nauseating.
You're getting pissy for no reason.
You also lie over and over and over and over and over when it comes to things you claim I do about CJ. It is what it is. You WILL keep lying, not much I can do there.
quote:And this is an example of the lie I've called you out for a million times.
Even with my bs rants about Dyson I acknowledged the spots he was weak and harped on the things he did well for argument.
quote:Constantly lying IS weird, yes.
Its weird man
quote:You're lying through your teeth right now, that is 100% false. Just a lie.
When his hand was hurt you wouldn't even acknowledge he was shooting bad. Y
Why are you lying nonstop?
quote:This is a lie, no you don't.
I actually just remembered that one of your responses to him playing bad was "well the end of the bench players played worse, look at these stats".
You remember a lot of shite that never happened because you are a habitual liar.
I absolutely, positively 100% said CJ was shooting bad when he had the hurt hand. You remember something completely different.
You're irrational about this, as I said, it is what it is. You will keep being irrational and lying.
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:07 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Irrational people have an inability to realize they're being irrational when everyone else can spot them being irrational.
What is your uhhhh in reference to?
That's where you are right now in this thread.
quote:Again, your lies is the factual way to state this.
My response was to Shel refusing to acknowledge the areas where CJ struggles.
quote:Me neither. But you lie and are irrational, WIKSF sees that. You do not.
You want to tell me which players I've defended and also refused to acknowledge their struggles?
There isn't one.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:39 pm to shel311
quote:
Irrational people have an inability to realize they're being irrational when everyone else can spot them being irrational.
That's where you are right now in this thread.
Bruh what did I say that was irrational?
quote:
Is it a dramatic thread? Yeah
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What all of that does mean is that neither should have been primary PG in late game/ clutch time.
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I'm not concerned because we have Murray to do the quick thinking in clutch now. CJ can just shoot
Irritational in regards to you defending CJ? Is this a joke?
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:42 pm to Dantheman504
CJ being the most clutch player on the least clutch team literally means fricking nothing.
Its a direct correlation to your "CJ did bad well ___ did worse".
OP can be dramatic and still have an underlying point. Which i think is irrelevant because of Murray.
Its a direct correlation to your "CJ did bad well ___ did worse".
OP can be dramatic and still have an underlying point. Which i think is irrelevant because of Murray.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:05 pm to Dantheman504
quote:You might have a point here but you STILL think CJ constantly turns the ball over in the clutch despite him having ONE total turnover in the clutch all of last season.
OP can be dramatic and still have an underlying point.
The question I'd ask that you don't seem to have any ability to understand is, why does half the fan base think CJ is so terrible in the clutch and tell us that all the time on here while no one ever calls out Zion or BI who are much worse in the clutch? I know the answer to that, but you can't even grasp why that is a relevant question here because you don't know the answer to that obvious question.
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:55 pm to Dantheman504
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Bruh what did I say that was irrational?
Other than repeating the same lies I've told you are lies over and over andtiy still do it?
Probably this:
quote:considering it's wrong not just literally obviously but also figuratively, this was the most irrational comment you'll see here in a while.
No I disagree with the fact that CJ could kill someone and you'd defend him with your life. It's nauseating.
quote:lying over and over, being called out for lying over and over, and continuing to lie over and over is as irrational as it gets.
Irritational in regards to you defending CJ? Is this a joke?
You've done that, factually. Not my opinion...
Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:28 pm to lsutigers23
Man, you crazy and way off base
Posted on 9/5/24 at 9:44 pm to shel311
Wtf do you consider clutch time you are skewing numbers in your favor
Posted on 9/6/24 at 11:59 am to lsutigers23
quote:The numbers aren't "skewed" just because you don't like what they are, or more to the point, you thought they would show something else but we're surprised it didn't.
Wtf do you consider clutch time you are skewing numbers in your favor
Clutch stats per 36 last season:
BI 25ppg on 21 FGA, 42.9% Fg%, 18.2% 3pt%, 3.5 APG, 3.5 tpg, 51.3 TS%, -17.9 net rating
Zion 20PPG on 18 FGA, 3.6 APG, 4.1 tpg, 45.7% Fg%, 47.4 TS%, -6.4 net rating
CJ 20ppg on 15 FGA, 47.8% FG%, 40% 3pt%, 4.7 APG, 0.7 tpg, 56.6 TS%, -2.4 net rating
Posted on 9/6/24 at 12:18 pm to lsutigers23
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Wtf do you consider clutch time you are skewing numbers in your favor
Clutch time is clutch time with an actual definition. The numbers are the numbers.
"Clutch time is the final five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime when the score is within five points."
Posted on 9/6/24 at 7:11 pm to MannyG
The difference is CJ takes shots early in the shot clock and forces them, watch a game he kills the flow we ask BI and Zion to take tougher shots and sometimes at the end of the shot clock.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 1:38 pm to lsutigers23
You've looked dumb enough stop making it worse and move along..
Posted on 9/9/24 at 7:40 am to shel311
CJ needs to come off the bench period. Willie needs to grow some balls and tell CJ that he is not the number 1 or 2 option. As the team looks right now CJ isn't even the number 3 option.
That needs to be communicated pronto.
That needs to be communicated pronto.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 12:02 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:Agreed
CJ needs to come off the bench
quote:I don't understand this statement at all
Willie needs to grow some balls and tell CJ that he is not the number 1 or 2 option
For probably half the games he's played with the Pels, Zion or BI was out so he was the #1 or #2 option.
And when Zion and BI play, the eye test and numbers tell us that CJ has been the clearcut #3 option.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:15 pm to shel311
I don't understand this statement at all?
Well it's been said that New Orleans has one of the deepest benches in the NBA, the team should be the 3rd option. No one can see that if CJ feels he has to put on the superman cape and take bad shots. Move the ball, you have TM3 out on the wing, you have or had Jose, Naji on the court and they are looked off. If you watch the game it's very clear when the cape goes on. When Zion goes out or BI is out of the lineup, whether Willie told him or not CJ starts to chunk up shots, and bad shots while not playing defense.
Hopefully, this season will not be like last season.
Well it's been said that New Orleans has one of the deepest benches in the NBA, the team should be the 3rd option. No one can see that if CJ feels he has to put on the superman cape and take bad shots. Move the ball, you have TM3 out on the wing, you have or had Jose, Naji on the court and they are looked off. If you watch the game it's very clear when the cape goes on. When Zion goes out or BI is out of the lineup, whether Willie told him or not CJ starts to chunk up shots, and bad shots while not playing defense.
Hopefully, this season will not be like last season.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 2:21 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:But why are you saying it like a very, very clear insinuation that CJ has done anything other than that?
No one can see that if CJ feels he has to put on the superman cape and take bad shots. Move the ball, you have TM3 out on the wing, you have or had Jose, Naji on the court and they are looked off. If you watch the game it's very clear when the cape goes on.
When BI and Zion play, CJ is the clearcut #3 option. He plays as the #3 option, his usage as that of the #3 option. There's not much of a logical argument to suggest he's trying to play as the #1 or #2 when BI/Zion are playing.
When it's CJ plus 1 of ZIon/BI....same thing. CJ plays as the clear #2 behind one of those guys, so back to me stating I don't understand your statement at all.
Your insinuations do not jive at all with what has actually been happening with CJ on the court with/without BI & Zion.
quote:Well, Willie must have already told him that because CJ has done in the past exactly what you keep harping on him to do, so what is the issue?
When Zion goes out or BI is out of the lineup, whether Willie told him or not CJ starts to chunk up shots, and bad shots while not playing defense.
Also, BI had the higher usage last season and was also less efficient than CJ, but again, you're only coming after CJ for...reasons
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:24 pm to shel311
Also, BI had the higher usage last season and was also less efficient than CJ, but again, you're only coming after CJ for...reasons
My statement is simply move the ball. The idea or copy cat metaphor that Griffin tried to create in regards to a "Big 3" doesn't work in New Orleans. There is too much talent for that. Chunking up bad shots is probably what got CJ kicked out of Portland.
CJ can be the playmaker or next in line to dance with the ball for the full shot clock, however where this goes off the rails is when he can't find open team mates and now the clock is down and he is forcing shots, hence the entrance of Murray.
This isn't about BI, this is about finding a guy who can score, give assists and play defense, not just try to score while running out the shot clock. "LETS GO MURRAY"
My statement is simply move the ball. The idea or copy cat metaphor that Griffin tried to create in regards to a "Big 3" doesn't work in New Orleans. There is too much talent for that. Chunking up bad shots is probably what got CJ kicked out of Portland.
CJ can be the playmaker or next in line to dance with the ball for the full shot clock, however where this goes off the rails is when he can't find open team mates and now the clock is down and he is forcing shots, hence the entrance of Murray.
This isn't about BI, this is about finding a guy who can score, give assists and play defense, not just try to score while running out the shot clock. "LETS GO MURRAY"
Posted on 9/11/24 at 3:46 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:That IS what CJ did last season. There's been a shite ton of talk here, on Twitter, in articles, etc about how CJ drastically changed his shot profile to take less middies and more 3s.
My statement is simply move the ball.
quote:Dame not being a good enough #1 for a title contender and CJ not being good enough #2 for a title contender and then adding them together as the 1/2 is why he was traded.
Chunking up bad shots is probably what got CJ kicked out of Portland.
quote:Again, this is the exact thing CJ had a massive improvement on last season. We asked him to do exactly this last offseason, and then he came out and did a great job of exactly this last season.
CJ can be the playmaker or next in line to dance with the ball for the full shot clock, however where this goes off the rails is when he can't find open team mates and now the clock is down and he is forcing shots, hence the entrance of Murray.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 8:44 am to shel311
Again, this is the exact thing CJ had a massive improvement on last season. We asked him to do exactly this last offseason, and then he came out and did a great job of exactly this last season.
I don't think he improved enough, hence Murray.
I don't think he improved enough, hence Murray.
Posted on 9/14/24 at 1:29 am to jonjonsmith
quote:Sounds like an expectation problems on your side.
don't think he improved enough, hence Murray
CJ played better than just about anyone realistically expected last season.
Your line of posts don't quite make sense because they insinuate you don't think CJ is THAT good but then you also expect him to be extremely good. You're just setting your self up to always be let down despite him exceeding most realistic expectations last season as a whole.
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