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re: hope the Pels lose this year: here's why
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:00 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I understand your argument and in ways I agree and disagree. However, I'm going to continue to enjoy watching the team and hope that the guys continue to grow.
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
I still dont understand how you feel this roster, built the way it is, can tank into a top 5 lottery selection
Thats where your disconnect with the rest of the board is... most of these guys understand this roster isnt built to lose 60 games, and would rather have this year as another building year, with a young core that may develop into something special... opposed to just another tank season like we've seen the past 3 years.
Thats where your disconnect with the rest of the board is... most of these guys understand this roster isnt built to lose 60 games, and would rather have this year as another building year, with a young core that may develop into something special... opposed to just another tank season like we've seen the past 3 years.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:03 pm to EarthwormJim
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ummm, yes they did.
nah. he was a high upside, high risk pick. no one labeled him can't miss. they couldn't have. No one saw him play.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:05 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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Thats where your disconnect with the rest of the board is... most of these guys understand this roster isnt built to lose 60 games, and would rather have this year as another building year, with a young core that may develop into something special... opposed to just another tank season like we've seen the past 3 years.
we'll see how you guys feel when the pels lose 7 of the next 8.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:07 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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no one labeled him can't miss. they couldn't have. No one saw him play.
But they did. Just like many people labeled Michael Beasley as a can't miss player or Emeka Okafor. Draft after draft guys are labeled can't miss and still miss. They don't have to be total busts to be misses, especailly when you are touting 5-7 all stars to come out of the draft.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:09 pm to EarthwormJim
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But they did. Just like many people labeled Michael Beasley as a can't miss player or Emeka Okafor.
NO THEY DIDN"T
they labeled Beasley a Tweener and Okafor a hard worker with limited offensive potential. And also acknowledged that those were weak drafts even at the time!
Jesus.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:11 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Beasley was really highly regarded out of college.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:11 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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so why is everyone so pissed about the idea of finishing in 13th place as opposed to 21st?
You're selling snake oil. Tanking is just not a realistic option.
What successful team has drafted their core with top 5 picks beside OKC? The Rockets traded for their top players. The Clippers drafted Griffin but got Paul by trade. Indiana got George at 10 and Hibbert at 17. The Spurs drafted Duncan 1st and that's it. Memphis only has Conley as a top 5 pick they drafted. Miami drafted Wade but signed the rest of the Big 3.
Minnesota is the best "self made in the lottery" team I can come up with and they may not even make the playoffs. But I can think of quite a few bottom feeder teams loaded with high draft picks.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:11 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Ill feel exactly the same as I do today... I understood coming into the year this team isnt ready for a run
This season is more about getting these new, young pieces to learn how to play together, and finding who fits AD best...
Dell is acquiring talent for his cornerstone, and Im almost certain he isnt done yet. Tyreke, Jrue, and EG arent "stuck" here. Theyre all movable
This season is more about getting these new, young pieces to learn how to play together, and finding who fits AD best...
Dell is acquiring talent for his cornerstone, and Im almost certain he isnt done yet. Tyreke, Jrue, and EG arent "stuck" here. Theyre all movable
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:16 pm to hendersonshands
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Beasley was really highly regarded out of college.
but not a can't miss. they weren't sure if he was a 3 or 4.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:17 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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they labeled Beasley a Tweener
Yeah a tweener who was suppose to be an all star that could dominant games.
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Okafor a hard worker with limited offensive potential.
And he was considered one of the best true center prospects in a long time who could dominate a on defense and the glass.
Both these players had flaws and scouts overlooked them in the draft, just like they are overlooking flaws in players in this upcoming draft.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:17 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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Tyreke, Jrue, and EG arent "stuck" here. Theyre all movable
Then EG gots to go.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:19 pm to EarthwormJim
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Yeah a tweener who was suppose to be an all star that could dominant games.
but with a lack of defensive intensity. He at times has shown all star talent scoring the ball.
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And he was considered one of the best true center prospects in a long time who could dominate a on defense and the glass.
No. they saw his flaws. They said IF. and he has had a workman like career because of it.
And that was a WEAK draft.
these guys were what we thought they were. frick.
frick you guys have revisionist history.
the can't miss prospects of the last ten years. These are the prospects that people thought would not miss. they had upside and little downside.
AD
KD
Lebron
Melo
DRose
Oden
CP3
Yao
Griffin
AD at the time of the draft, was thought to be the best prospect since KD and Lebron.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:24 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Okafor averages a double double for his career with two blocks a game. Dude was top ten in rebounding and blocks multiple times in his career. ROY 
Beasley is responsible for his own demise. He could've been a 20 a game scorer if he kept his head on straight
Beasley is responsible for his own demise. He could've been a 20 a game scorer if he kept his head on straight
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:27 pm to LSU Fan 90812
you're the type of person to want to tank every season, pick up high 1st round picks and hope they become awesome.
I.e. - the cleveland caveliers
2011 - 1st overall Kyrie Irving (PG)
2011 - 4th overall Tristan Thompson (PF)
2012 - 4th overall Dion Waiters (SG)
2013 - 1st overall Anthony Bennett (SF/PF)
currently: 5-12 in the shitastic east
Wins over
Brooklyn
Minnesota
Philadelphia
Washington
Chicago
Losses to
Charlotte
Indiana
Milwalkee
Philadelphia
Chicago
Minnesota
Charlotte
Washington
New Orleans
San Antonio
Miami
Boston
Yeah, nice. Guess what though? No one wants to play for a shitty team and in a small market. no free agent that is. FA acquisitions are the reason people win championships because you can't draft for all your needs. Even the great san antonio get good free agents
I.e. - the cleveland caveliers
2011 - 1st overall Kyrie Irving (PG)
2011 - 4th overall Tristan Thompson (PF)
2012 - 4th overall Dion Waiters (SG)
2013 - 1st overall Anthony Bennett (SF/PF)
currently: 5-12 in the shitastic east
Wins over
Brooklyn
Minnesota
Philadelphia
Washington
Chicago
Losses to
Charlotte
Indiana
Milwalkee
Philadelphia
Chicago
Minnesota
Charlotte
Washington
New Orleans
San Antonio
Miami
Boston
Yeah, nice. Guess what though? No one wants to play for a shitty team and in a small market. no free agent that is. FA acquisitions are the reason people win championships because you can't draft for all your needs. Even the great san antonio get good free agents
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:28 pm to GynoSandberg
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Okafor averages a double double for his career with two blocks a game. Dude was top ten in rebounding and blocks multiple times in his career. ROY
exactly! He was exactly as advertised!
the busts are ones like bargnani. And fricking hasheem thabeet. Who were drafted on potential and not productivity and game film.
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Beasley is responsible for his own demise. He could've been a 20 a game scorer if he kept his head on straight
exactly! and there were knocks on his defensive intensity and tendency to float in and out of games even at the college level.
NONE OF THESE GUYS AS PROSPECTS WOULD HAVE GONE OVER THE TOP 5 IN THIS DRAFT. NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
frick
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:29 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Adam Morrison. 
Hasheem Thabeet
Yi Jainlain.
Top 6 picks.
Hasheem Thabeet
Yi Jainlain.
Top 6 picks.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:32 pm to htran90
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2011 - 1st overall Kyrie Irving (PG)
future of the league.
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2011 - 4th overall Tristan Thompson (PF)
reach. bashed at the time.
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2012 - 4th overall Dion Waiters (SG)
stupid pick. bashed at the time.
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2013 - 1st overall Anthony Bennett (SF/PF)
LINK
Also, i just want to remind you that last year's draft was called the weakest in recent memory. BEFORE the draft.
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Yeah, nice. Guess what though? No one wants to play for a shitty team and in a small market. no free agent that is. FA acquisitions are the reason people win championships because you can't draft for all your needs. Even the great san antonio get good free agents
actually the spurs have drafted each of their 4 best players. Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard.
Other than Duncan, All steals. In the back of the first round.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:33 pm to Gtothemoney
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Adam Morrison.
Hasheem Thabeet
Yi Jainlain.
Top 6 picks.
none of those would go top 10 this year.
You guys are fricking morons.
NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 1:35 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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NONE OF THESE GUYS AS PROSPECTS WOULD HAVE GONE OVER THE TOP 5 IN THIS DRAFT. NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
frick
On paper most of us would trade Holiday for 2 B+ or better players, but things just aren't guaranteed. Even if you are the worst team in the league there's still a chance you pick 4th. The 2003 draft had 4 top level stars and 1 big bust. Even if you have the worst record, you still only have a 25% shot at the top pick. There's way too much random chance involved in your plan. You still haven't refuted the fact that OKC is the only team that has successfully built this way and there are far more examples of failing terribly with this model.
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