re: Hawkins to Squadron

Its also lazy coaching. Hawkins deserved minutes but instead of finding minutes for him, he sent him down to gleague. This was a guy at one point was a top 3 rookie. Who the frick does this?

And playing defense against the gleague wont get him that. You think last year okc thought guys like jalen williams and giddey should get benched and sent to gleague so kenrich williams could get minutes?? That’s essentially what Willie is doing.

And sorry but hawkins isn't williams or giddey.i do think he' could def there tho.

And thunder aren't as deep as pels neither

They choose not to play certain guys minutes. Tre Mann and Kenrich are good players- but their coach plays their best guys minutes rookies or not. Hawkins is the second best pure shooter on our team- we desperately need his shooting. Naji and Jose aren’t guys who should stop Hawkins from getting minutes.

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Pels are -68 with hawk on cour

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He racked up amost all of that in 4 blowouts we had.
-14 in 28 point loss to GSW
-15 in 18 point lost to Denver, down by 30+ in that game.
-19 in 21 point lost to Minny, down by 30+ in that game.
-28 in 12 point lost to Dallas, down by 25 in that game, and he came back in the very next game against them and scored 25 points and was a +13.

That's 4 games where he racked up a -76.
He also has 4 games where he is a +14, +17, +13 and +15.



And saying the team is better with him off the court is just dumb to say for a role player like him. +/- means very little for him. Of course the team will be better with him off the court. Am i to expect Jordan Hawkins playing with backups to be better than the starters?
And everyone keeps talking about his bad defense. Have you actually watched him on defense. I actually think he was pretty decent, and no where near bad enough to be unplayable. Dyson's defense is awesome, but i'd bet his offense is worst than Hawkins defense.



Let's look at who he's actually playing with.

Herb/CJ/Ryan/JV is his most played lineup, and it's a +11.2 net rating.
Dyson/BI/Zi/JV is his 2nd most played lineup, and it's a +11.4 net rating

Dyson/BI/Herb/JV is his 3rd and is a -16.6. Notice the two defensive guys in that lineup, unlike the lineups above.
BI/Herb/Naji/JV is 4th and is a -5.3
Dyson/BI/JRE/JV is 5th and is a -47.7 again two terrible offensive players.
BI/Herb/Zion/JV is a -31.3. This was the Nuggets game where Hawkins started in place of CJ and we were blown out, and Hawkins scored 31.
Jose/Naji/Zion/CZ is a -9.3
Herb/CJ/Zion/JV is a -31.3, another blowout loss to GSW where he started in place of BI, and he actually had a better +/- than all of the other starters.
Dyson/CJ/Ryan/JV is a +5.5, hmmmm....something about playing offensive guys together seems to work.
Naji/CJ/Trey/JV. Oh look, the 1st instance of Trey and it's a +59.3 in just 13 minutes together, granted against crappy Washington team.


Point is, Hawkins has been more than fine when he's played, and when he's on the court with other shooters, it has appeared to work really really well. And also all those numbers don't mean much at all b/c there isn't a large enough sample size to really say much.

I do know that nothign positive will come from him playing a G-League game, other than having fun running in a competitive environment.

Again. -68 when he is on court. What good does shooting do when other team is shooting/scoring better. This team doest need a guy thatll come in n give 3 three point makes while giving up 8 two point drives to rim. Team really only needs some late game mental toughness

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And sorry but hawkins isn't williams or giddey.i do think he' could def there tho.

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Those dudes got there by playing minutes. Hawkins isn't good on defense, but he won't get better logging DNPs or going to the G League. He can only get better with reps.

It was fine when it was the IST to get some DNPs, but this is pretty ridiculous now. He does have a skill that we absolutely need on the court. We need him out there to continue developing other parts of his game as well.

What frustrates me is Dyson’s offense has been just as bad as Hawkins defense. But Dyson will not get sent to the gleague to improve his offense. Because to Willie Green its more valuable to be a defensive role player scoring 0 points then to be a shooter. Its the whole problem with his mentality.

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Play him, let him grow. This isn't a championship team...barely a play-in team for that matter. There's nothing to lose except for some arbitrary stats.