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re: Griff be damned, he destroyed the off season
Posted on 11/27/21 at 11:25 am to Sharp85
Posted on 11/27/21 at 11:25 am to Sharp85
This. The roster looks like shite because it's a G League roster w/o Zion/Ingram.
I like the pieces around Zion/Ingram more this year than any year before. They have, on paper, a nice mix of size, shooting, defense. Will it pan out? Who knows. Let's get healthy and see what happens.
I like the pieces around Zion/Ingram more this year than any year before. They have, on paper, a nice mix of size, shooting, defense. Will it pan out? Who knows. Let's get healthy and see what happens.
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Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:02 pm to Sharp85
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You listed a bunch of league minimum guys. Wood is a stat guy on a bad team. I don’t know Zion personally so I’m not going to speculate his relationship with front office or listen to anything media says. Give them 25-30 games with a healthy Zion then judge the moves.
Huh?
We gave up multiple first rounders to get Adams and get off him.
Spent 18 million on Favors.
Wood is a 20-10 starter on good efficiency that we let go for Melli and Okafor. Julius Randle an all star and the best player on a playoff team.
Lonzo is the lead defender on a 2 seed and the teams most efficient three point shooter that we got a bunch of bench warmers on overpaid contracts.
Most of these moves are already proven busts, and if he had his way, we'd be saddled with other bad contracts like Tim Hardaway at 22 million.
Regardless of how well Zion can elevate this group of players that, besides BI and Jonas, are being asked to play in larger roles they wouldn't be asked to on almost any other playoff team because this roster is painfully shallow, Griff has demonstrated he is a below average GM at best, arguably near the bottom of the league, if not the bottom given the wealth of resources at his disposal and somehow three years in fielding an arguably worse surrounding cast than year one.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:11 pm to corndeaux
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I like the pieces around Zion/Ingram more this year than any year before.
How?
Year one was Jrue, Lonzo, BI, Zion, non-washed Favors with a still hot Reddick as sixth man and Hart as your 7th.
You can not tell me with a straight face, if we are speaking exclusively about players outside Zion/Bi, that you wouldn't take the equivalent of those players from that season, today, over the group we have today.
With a healthy year three Zion that would be a top 5 seed at worse. While I think even healthy you are talking about this team as play-in material at it's peak.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:15 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Griff be damned, he destroyed the off season
Funny how quiet that’s been recently huh.
It’s almost like, and hear me out, when your two best players start the year injured and your first year head coach is trying to figure out rotations with a team full of recent draft picks still developing, things might not start out perfectly.
They hate the guy so much they view anything objectively. Dude brought in Jonas,Graham, Herb and Trey in a single offseason. But you’re still butthurt over Lonzo leaving.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:20 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
If Lonzo leaving for poor compensaton was his only sin no one would have a problem with Griff. No GM bats a thousand, but most GM's also don't strike out nearly as bad as Griff has for three years, every year, and still have defenders.
It's telling that his Stans always resort to removing important context and misframing/exaggerating his critics in order to prop him up.
Because if you have an honest conversation, his tenure becomes pretty indefensible as a whole. So his defenders seem to try their hardest to avoid allowing that to take place.
It's telling that his Stans always resort to removing important context and misframing/exaggerating his critics in order to prop him up.
Because if you have an honest conversation, his tenure becomes pretty indefensible as a whole. So his defenders seem to try their hardest to avoid allowing that to take place.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:24 pm to Bronc
If Zion and BI were healthy to start the season none of this conversation is happening. So I don’t take any of this conversation as genuine. It’s just convenient to add to the lazy national media sentiment.
God forbid I don’t believe Griffin is the one and only sole cause for issues going on with the team. But i aso don’t just pile into the easy narrative because you know, I actually following the team. Which seems unlikely for a lot of this board.
God forbid I don’t believe Griffin is the one and only sole cause for issues going on with the team. But i aso don’t just pile into the easy narrative because you know, I actually following the team. Which seems unlikely for a lot of this board.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:26 pm to Bronc
"with a healthy year 3 Zion"
I'm not interested in mixing and matching timelines.
That team was roughly .500 with Zion and before Covid. I think this roster could be .500 this year too. And I like the size, defense, and shooting of this crew a little more over the next couple of seasons.
I'm not interested in mixing and matching timelines.
That team was roughly .500 with Zion and before Covid. I think this roster could be .500 this year too. And I like the size, defense, and shooting of this crew a little more over the next couple of seasons.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:28 pm to Bronc
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Because if you have an honest conversation, his tenure becomes pretty indefensible as a whole. So his defenders seem to try their hardest to avoid allowing that to take place.
And frankly, I’m to the point where I don’t even care if they fire him. Because I want to know what the excuses are going to be after he’s gone when something doesn’t go perfectly.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:36 pm to Bronc
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also don't strike out nearly as bad as Griff has for three years, every year, and still have defenders.
This is also a pretty convenient talking point I’ve seen. “three years.”
Ok…it’s been two. And we’re 20 games into year 3.
Each of those other two years were started off by their best player asking for a trade.
Year 1 they were going on a tear until the stoppage. Then Zion got hurt and fat and the team looked like garbage.
Year 2, Griff, by my own admission, completely overreacted to the sloppy play in the bubble and went the hard arse route with SVG. Zion was historic, and thankfully healthy, but, it was a rough team fit. Bledsoe the worst.
That ONE! Offseason was pretty rough.
Year 3 here we are. Unanimously praised coaching selection. Huge pickups in FA via trades. Got off of Adams and Bledsoe with zero problems. Killed the draft. But again, Zions out. Ingrams injured. New coach. Tons of draft picks. Now they’re headed in the right direction and still have tons of assets to add to this core.
So again, tell me how “three years” have gone by.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:41 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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And frankly, I’m to the point where I don’t even care if they fire him. Because I want to know what the excuses are going to be after he’s gone when something doesn’t go perfectly.
I don't really follow?
If someone is objective, the next GM should be evaluated same as Griff: On the results of his team building and moves.
If the next GM comes in and produces another Adams debacle, drafts poorly 2 out of 3 years, alienates our best player(s), creates a toxic work environment where staff are actively clowning on him behind his back out of frustration with his out of control ego, or spends all of FA trying to sign guys that aren't interested in coming here only to back himself into a corner with his roster and burn through assets to make up for past mistakes, he too should be handed his walking papers.And I would hope you wouldn't make excuses for it either.
We are a small market, the only way franchises like our's compete with the big guys is by bringing in elite level front office talent to make sure that what avenues you have to build a roster are maximally effective. There is no doubt in my mind if we had the Nuggets, Raptors, Jazz, or Hawks FO over Griff to build around Zion, this would be the best young roster in the league given the wealth of assets and opportunities we have had since the AD trade request.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:53 pm to Bronc
He’s had a single very bad offseason. That’s it.
He sounds like an a-hole, but the whole “no one wants to come here” thing ain’t because of him. Maybe he doesn’t help, but, he wasn’t the first GM here not able to sign big FAs. Again, something apparently only he’s had a problem with, right? LOL
Trajan and Swin must not be doing anything because I don’t see them catching a single stray for anything that’s happened since they’ve been here too.
He sounds like an a-hole, but the whole “no one wants to come here” thing ain’t because of him. Maybe he doesn’t help, but, he wasn’t the first GM here not able to sign big FAs. Again, something apparently only he’s had a problem with, right? LOL
Trajan and Swin must not be doing anything because I don’t see them catching a single stray for anything that’s happened since they’ve been here too.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:59 pm to Bronc
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If someone is objective
Which you aren't. C'mon, man. If we were to win a title, you'd be on this board the next day complaining about Griff, because you hate him that much.
If we don't make the postseason this season, then I think Griff should be fired. I think that's pretty objective. Is there a result this season that would prompt you to say that Griff should keep his job?
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:08 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Again, you intentionally remove important context to defend Griff.
This is what I talk about with requiring inaccurate context and framings in order to make the argument to defend Griff.
Year one:
AD Trade: Good considering the situation, but more and more is looking like it will ultimately be an AD for BI swap, which is not a great return. But would be understandable and tolerable given the asymmetric leverage, and if the rest of our moves worked out it would be an afterthought. So acceptable.
Trade Back: Bad
Hayes pick: Bad
Favors acquisition and signing: Middling to Bad
NAW pick: TBD but looking like a role player at best
Didi: Bad
Redick: Good for year one, but ultimately a pointless, and eventually corrosive acquisition in terms of the longer term stated goal of building a sustainable contender and culture long-term. Largely because of Griff's poor player relationships.
Letting Christian Wood, Julius Randle walk: Bad
Bringing in Meli and retaining Okafor as replacements: Bad
Alienating Zion and his camp: very bad
Year 2:
Jrue Trade: TBD, but so far middling to bad
Adams trade: Terrible
Kira Pick: TBD but trending as Bad
Not trading Redick when asked: bad
SVG hire: Terrible
Lonzo Extension and RFA: Bad
Zion Relationship: Remains bad
BI Extension: Good
Year 3:
Wasting FA trying to sign Lowry/CP3: Terrible
Lonzo RFA handling: Bad
Moving Adams/Bled: Good, but it's like giving your dog credit for eating the shite he took in the house. It got rid of it, but you still have to pay for carpet cleaning.
Trey Murphy: TBD
Val Acquisition: Good
Herb: Excellent
Graham: Price: bad, player: good
Willie: TBD, but trending Good
Griff as a manager:
- Appears to have consistently alienated players, staff, and coaches every season
- Has tarnished the reputation of the team to the point not even role players like Tim Hardaway would take an overpay to come here
- Has tarnished the reputation of the franchise to the point we are consistently getting turned down by potential coaching candidates, and assistants, despite having two all stars and a wealth of assets to build with.
- Seems to have a poor standing with two of the major agencies in the league: CAA, Klutch
- Has increasingly garnered the reputation of running a toxic and clownish organization with his behavior publicly and behind closed doors.
Year three has been his best year, tentatively, but to call it a "good" year requires ignoring the hole that was dug year one and two and how much bad still occurred like botching free agency entiriely, and the entire under current of his toxic leadership style.
The net result is we have one of the shallowest rosters in the league in terms of talent in year three of being gifted a generational talent and a wealth of assets no other rebuilding team has had, more cap space than almost all big two's have at their disposal, where a majority of draft picks outside Zion currently don't project as future starters any time soon, we have no real quality level free agents to speak of, have used the trade market mostly to undo poor past decisions, replace lost talent, and get only marginally better, and as a consequence basically every player on this roster is being asked to punch above their weight class in order to win games night in and night out. And that is going to go for Zion as well, who in year three and barely having played a full season of games is going to be asked to elevate this roster to a playoff level team basically by himself.
I just can't find the angle to defend that sort of front office management when we stop cherry picking and look at the collective body of work. Including the stuff like public and internal leadership, public brand management, and the continual deteriorating reputation within the league with potential players and staff, that don't show up on the BBall Reference pages, but very much effect the ceiling of this team.
This is what I talk about with requiring inaccurate context and framings in order to make the argument to defend Griff.
Year one:
AD Trade: Good considering the situation, but more and more is looking like it will ultimately be an AD for BI swap, which is not a great return. But would be understandable and tolerable given the asymmetric leverage, and if the rest of our moves worked out it would be an afterthought. So acceptable.
Trade Back: Bad
Hayes pick: Bad
Favors acquisition and signing: Middling to Bad
NAW pick: TBD but looking like a role player at best
Didi: Bad
Redick: Good for year one, but ultimately a pointless, and eventually corrosive acquisition in terms of the longer term stated goal of building a sustainable contender and culture long-term. Largely because of Griff's poor player relationships.
Letting Christian Wood, Julius Randle walk: Bad
Bringing in Meli and retaining Okafor as replacements: Bad
Alienating Zion and his camp: very bad
Year 2:
Jrue Trade: TBD, but so far middling to bad
Adams trade: Terrible
Kira Pick: TBD but trending as Bad
Not trading Redick when asked: bad
SVG hire: Terrible
Lonzo Extension and RFA: Bad
Zion Relationship: Remains bad
BI Extension: Good
Year 3:
Wasting FA trying to sign Lowry/CP3: Terrible
Lonzo RFA handling: Bad
Moving Adams/Bled: Good, but it's like giving your dog credit for eating the shite he took in the house. It got rid of it, but you still have to pay for carpet cleaning.
Trey Murphy: TBD
Val Acquisition: Good
Herb: Excellent
Graham: Price: bad, player: good
Willie: TBD, but trending Good
Griff as a manager:
- Appears to have consistently alienated players, staff, and coaches every season
- Has tarnished the reputation of the team to the point not even role players like Tim Hardaway would take an overpay to come here
- Has tarnished the reputation of the franchise to the point we are consistently getting turned down by potential coaching candidates, and assistants, despite having two all stars and a wealth of assets to build with.
- Seems to have a poor standing with two of the major agencies in the league: CAA, Klutch
- Has increasingly garnered the reputation of running a toxic and clownish organization with his behavior publicly and behind closed doors.
Year three has been his best year, tentatively, but to call it a "good" year requires ignoring the hole that was dug year one and two and how much bad still occurred like botching free agency entiriely, and the entire under current of his toxic leadership style.
The net result is we have one of the shallowest rosters in the league in terms of talent in year three of being gifted a generational talent and a wealth of assets no other rebuilding team has had, more cap space than almost all big two's have at their disposal, where a majority of draft picks outside Zion currently don't project as future starters any time soon, we have no real quality level free agents to speak of, have used the trade market mostly to undo poor past decisions, replace lost talent, and get only marginally better, and as a consequence basically every player on this roster is being asked to punch above their weight class in order to win games night in and night out. And that is going to go for Zion as well, who in year three and barely having played a full season of games is going to be asked to elevate this roster to a playoff level team basically by himself.
I just can't find the angle to defend that sort of front office management when we stop cherry picking and look at the collective body of work. Including the stuff like public and internal leadership, public brand management, and the continual deteriorating reputation within the league with potential players and staff, that don't show up on the BBall Reference pages, but very much effect the ceiling of this team.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:19 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Got off of Adams and Bledsoe with zero problems
Serious? It cost us either a first or moving down from a top ten pick, whatever you view JV’s cost. I wouldn’t say that was zero problems….
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:21 pm to Bronc
If Griff was any good we'd have much better depth and wouldn't be 5-16. We're 5-16 because after 3 years we still don't have a backup point guard or any real depth what so ever. If Santo, Didi, Naji, Jaxson Hayes and Garrett Temple were free agents, maybe only Jaxson gets a contract based purely on potential.
Good GMs have rosters where if role players get hurt, you have other role players to turn too. If any of our top 7 guys get hurt, we're fricked and have to play guys that wouldn't be on most other NBA teams.
Even if we win, it's in spite of Griff, not because of him. You guys sound like Les Miles supporters.
Good GMs have rosters where if role players get hurt, you have other role players to turn too. If any of our top 7 guys get hurt, we're fricked and have to play guys that wouldn't be on most other NBA teams.
Even if we win, it's in spite of Griff, not because of him. You guys sound like Les Miles supporters.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:50 pm to Bronc
Look man. You put some time into this so I won’t blow it off.
But your inability to see past literally anything on this team beyond Griffin is crazy. So again, all of those moves. Is Trajan not the GM? Is Swin not the VP? Why don’t you assign the, any of the blame for all these moves that you hate so much?
Year one:
AD starts off the offseason with his trade
I don’t hate the draft trade back in the draft at all. You’re in year 1 and you already have Zion locked in. Trade back and accumulate players to bring in to develop. You already had:
Lonzo Jrue Ingram Zion Favors as a lineup set.
Season starts and What a surprise, Zion is injured. We all remember the minute restriction nonsense. He comes back, they start looking very good and boom. Shut down. Destroys all momentum. Zion comes back fat, they look garbage in the bubble with a unceremonious exit.
Year two:
Huge overreaction to bubble play
THAT WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED without Zions injury and coming back barely able to play
Jrue asks out because he sees where this is going. Injury prone Zion. It’s about to be a youth movement.
We get back Bledsoe and they grab Adams
Everyone kills Adams, and he wasn’t good. But I’ll die on the hill that Bledsoe was the biggest sink on that team.
Zions actually healthy and has an incredible season, but the team doesn’t work around him.
SVG doesn’t develop any of the young guys, at all.
They all basically lose a season of development and no practice time
Year 3
Sign the right coach this time
Trade Adams and Bledsoe with zero issues (I was told it would take a 1st each to offload, which wasn’t the case.)
Sign Jonas to the extension (everyone cried about it)
Send a 1st for Graham to make sure you can sign him to the deal you want
Be done with Lonzo for minimal headache (we didn’t want him and he didn’t want to be here. You can bitch about the return here and I won’t argue too much bc I don’t really care. Bc it worked out for both teams.)
Re-sign Hart
(You got Hart and Graham for the price of one Lonzo)
Crush the draft with Trey and Herb.
Then….guess what….Zions injured again. We’re back to the year one nonsense. Ingram’s in and out to start the year. Role players are having to start. Then Grahams out for a few games and it just absolutely bottoms out. And now, we’ve seen the, find a starting unit that works and lo and behold Zion is finally about to be able to play.
Tell me you’re not excited about a rotation of:
Graham Hart Ingram Zion Jonas
Kira NAW Temple/Murphy Herb Billy
And for that to actually be consistent
Not to mention the trade exception and still load of picks they can use to add.
But your inability to see past literally anything on this team beyond Griffin is crazy. So again, all of those moves. Is Trajan not the GM? Is Swin not the VP? Why don’t you assign the, any of the blame for all these moves that you hate so much?
Year one:
AD starts off the offseason with his trade
I don’t hate the draft trade back in the draft at all. You’re in year 1 and you already have Zion locked in. Trade back and accumulate players to bring in to develop. You already had:
Lonzo Jrue Ingram Zion Favors as a lineup set.
Season starts and What a surprise, Zion is injured. We all remember the minute restriction nonsense. He comes back, they start looking very good and boom. Shut down. Destroys all momentum. Zion comes back fat, they look garbage in the bubble with a unceremonious exit.
Year two:
Huge overreaction to bubble play
THAT WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED without Zions injury and coming back barely able to play
Jrue asks out because he sees where this is going. Injury prone Zion. It’s about to be a youth movement.
We get back Bledsoe and they grab Adams
Everyone kills Adams, and he wasn’t good. But I’ll die on the hill that Bledsoe was the biggest sink on that team.
Zions actually healthy and has an incredible season, but the team doesn’t work around him.
SVG doesn’t develop any of the young guys, at all.
They all basically lose a season of development and no practice time
Year 3
Sign the right coach this time
Trade Adams and Bledsoe with zero issues (I was told it would take a 1st each to offload, which wasn’t the case.)
Sign Jonas to the extension (everyone cried about it)
Send a 1st for Graham to make sure you can sign him to the deal you want
Be done with Lonzo for minimal headache (we didn’t want him and he didn’t want to be here. You can bitch about the return here and I won’t argue too much bc I don’t really care. Bc it worked out for both teams.)
Re-sign Hart
(You got Hart and Graham for the price of one Lonzo)
Crush the draft with Trey and Herb.
Then….guess what….Zions injured again. We’re back to the year one nonsense. Ingram’s in and out to start the year. Role players are having to start. Then Grahams out for a few games and it just absolutely bottoms out. And now, we’ve seen the, find a starting unit that works and lo and behold Zion is finally about to be able to play.
Tell me you’re not excited about a rotation of:
Graham Hart Ingram Zion Jonas
Kira NAW Temple/Murphy Herb Billy
And for that to actually be consistent
Not to mention the trade exception and still load of picks they can use to add.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:52 pm to Townedrunkard
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Serious? It cost us either a first or moving down from a top ten pick, whatever you view JV’s cost. I wouldn’t say that was zero problems….
They traded down 7 spots in a single draft, and got the guy they wanted anyway.
Oh, and a widely ranked in redrafts top 10 player in the same draft with Herb.
So yeah, I consider that practically nothing.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 3:00 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Are you ignoring the acquisition cost as well?
Again, it's hard to give credit for paying to clean up your own expensive mess.
Trajan was pretty clear on draft night that wasn't actually the case. Said specifically that they liked Murphy a lot, but that moving back, and players coming off the board, changed what they would have done had they still kept that pick. Implying that Murphy would not have been the pick at 10.
Who they would have picked at the original spot is up for speculation, rumors around the time point to Chris Duarte, which would have been a homerun, or Kispert, who has disappointed so far, or Moody/Bouknight, who both have also underwhelmed when many thought they had ROTY potential.
Murphy himself is TBD. And while I like him as a prospect more than any of our other non-Zion first rounders, he's getting a lot of unearned pro-level credfrom Summer League, and NAW and Hayes should be case studies for why that is problematic.
Again, it's hard to give credit for paying to clean up your own expensive mess.
quote:
and got the guy they wanted anyway.
Trajan was pretty clear on draft night that wasn't actually the case. Said specifically that they liked Murphy a lot, but that moving back, and players coming off the board, changed what they would have done had they still kept that pick. Implying that Murphy would not have been the pick at 10.
Who they would have picked at the original spot is up for speculation, rumors around the time point to Chris Duarte, which would have been a homerun, or Kispert, who has disappointed so far, or Moody/Bouknight, who both have also underwhelmed when many thought they had ROTY potential.
Murphy himself is TBD. And while I like him as a prospect more than any of our other non-Zion first rounders, he's getting a lot of unearned pro-level credfrom Summer League, and NAW and Hayes should be case studies for why that is problematic.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 3:04 pm to Bronc
Ohhhhhh so….we can’t give credit this early…..but we can give blame? Interesting double standard.
Took the time to respond your tired, you respond to my one off.
Yeah I’m out on this.
Ya’ll will never see past the hate you have for Griff to enjoy this team as is. And it’s obvious.
Took the time to respond your tired, you respond to my one off.
Yeah I’m out on this.
Ya’ll will never see past the hate you have for Griff to enjoy this team as is. And it’s obvious.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 3:25 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
So again, all of those moves. Is Trajan not the GM? Is Swin not the VP? Why don’t you assign the, any of the blame for all these moves that you hate so much?
At the end of the day Griff signs off on all of those moves.
But I've said for a while now that nothing Swim or Trajan have done exonerate them from being let go with Griff. Some people want to extend the benefit of doubt to one or both, endorse Gayle making conditions of retainment on the next POBO, and I am not one of them.
In terms of Trajan, either he was the reason for a lot of these bad moves, or he has such poor leadership and influence he has been effectively sidelined and relegated to a ceremonial position within the team, either way, I don't see why you would promote him, go to bat for him, or veto a future POBO replacing him.
As for your response, I don't know how you can read your own framing of Griff's tenure(which again ignores some major decisions) and come away thinking yep, Everything is fine, lets keep it going with Griff!
quote:
Huge overreaction to bubble play
THAT WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED without Zions injury and coming back barely able to play
Again, who's fault is that though?
These are the inflection points that dictate the paths of teams, and it is why Griff was handed enormous power, resources, autonomy, and a huge salary, because he claimed to be able to navigate it better than anyone.
I don't blame him for Jrue asking out, but I do blame Griff for what he did in response. There is basically no move from the critical year two that is defensible, and while year three is on net not negative, it doesn't;t come close to making up for the degradation and misfires of the first two seasons.
Zion's injuries were out of Griff's control, which is why I have not held anything like that against him, what I take issue with were the things IN his control: draft picks, trades, asset utilization, FA signings(or lack thereof), retainment decisions on players, personnel hires, brand image, team reputation in terms of affecting the ceiling of this team via staff and players, employee relationships(FO and players). And on those things, he's been pretty far below average on the whole.
quote:
Tell me you’re not excited about a rotation of:
Graham Hart Ingram Zion Jonas
Kira NAW Temple/Murphy Herb Billy
I mean, I am insomuch as Zion being back should make the games consistently more enjoyable because he's a top 15 talent, but the collective surrounding cast outside BI/Jonas? I like individual players, but as a collective unit? I'm not really blown away.
The talent is so shallow that everyone not named Zion/Bi/Jonas is slotting into roles above their current talent grade, and the players around those three aren't collectively ideal complimentary pieces either(individually I like many, especially if they were able to be used int heir ideal roles, like Graham as 6th man, Hart, NAW, and Herb as the bench mob). Which means those three will still be working harder, putting more wear and tear on their bodies, and having to play out of their minds to put us into play-in territory.
As I see it, this team is still in need of a true PG, an upgrade at SG to be more complimentary to BI/Zion/Jonas, and better quality depth at most positions.
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Took the time to respond your tired, you respond to my one off
I responded to both, one took more consideration and words than the other, calm down.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 3:44 pm
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