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re: Greivis Vasquez' Elite Accomplishments
Posted on 2/28/13 at 9:37 am to tehchampion140
Posted on 2/28/13 at 9:37 am to tehchampion140
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You're telling me Vasquez couldn't single-handedly keep the 7th leading scorer in the NBA from scoring?
No, but last night vasquez got beat off the dribble nearly every possession. and Vasquez kept fouling westbrook because he used his speed to drive right past vasquez. Also vasquez was horrible on the offensive end because he couldn't use his height againsts westbrooks speed and athleticism. VAsquez always preforms bad against speed. LOok at the PG he will face in the playoffs. PArker, CP3, and westbrook. They all have speed and vasquez struggles with them consistantly.
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Posted on 2/28/13 at 9:50 am to ebouillion
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Also vasquez was horrible on the offensive end because he couldn't use his height againsts westbrooks speed and athleticism
He didn't shoot the ball well, but he had 7 assists (with only Anderson able to consistently knock down a shot) and no turnovers. That is very, very far from "horrible."
Posted on 2/28/13 at 9:51 am to ebouillion
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LOok at the PG he will face in the playoffs. PArker, CP3, and westbrook. They all have speed and vasquez struggles with them consistantly.
So.....Hall of Famers are better than he is....fair enough.
ETA hard stats:
Chris Paul averages 16 PPG on the entire season
Chris Paul averages 15 PPG against the Hornets
Greivis Vasquez averages 15 ppg against the Clippers
Chris Paul averages 9.5 asts for the season
Chris Paul averages 10.0 asts against the Hornets
Greivis averages 10.0 asts against the Clippers
Turnovers are really the only place where you see a significant difference. Greivis has turned it over too much against the Clippers.
However, that said, Chris Paul has not destroyed Vasquez head to head.
This post was edited on 2/28/13 at 9:59 am
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:00 am to Jester
Tony Parker is also right at his season averages against the Hornets.
Even after scoring 29 last night, Russell Westbrook is 5.3 points below his season average when playing against the Hornets.
Even after scoring 29 last night, Russell Westbrook is 5.3 points below his season average when playing against the Hornets.
This post was edited on 2/28/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:04 am to Jester
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Tony Parker is also right at his season averages against the Hornets.
Even after scoring 29 last night, Russell Westbrook is 5.3 points below his season average when playing against the Hornets.
Which reminds me...
How often is Vasquez guarding the 2 instead of the point?
I seem to remember that the team would do that, especially when Gordon was healthy, to take advantage of Vasquez' length and Gordon's size to offseat each other's deficiencies.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:08 am to teke184
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How often is Vasquez guarding the 2 instead of the point?
Hard to tell, really. I know we've talked ad nauseum about using Gordon/Vasquez to switch defensively, but I honestly haven't paid that much attention to it while watching the games.
I do know that Durant made the top 10 last night with Vasquez guarding him. The defense wasn't bad really, it was just a slick pass. Durant crossed over from left to right just enough to sneak the pass into the paint, but there were no broken ankles. The poor defense was in the post on that specific play.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:08 am to Jester
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Even after scoring 29 last night, Russell Westbrook is 5.3 points below his season average when playing against the Hornets
Well that happens when he has played the least amount of minutes against us because we are getting blown out.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:10 am to dj30
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Well that happens when he has played the least amount of minutes against us because we are getting blown out.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:12 am to Jester
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So.....Hall of Famers are better than he is....fair enough.
Well i wouldnt say any of those people will be hall of famers, but they are elite. You are only going to face PGs like that in the playoffs. You are not gonna face middle of the road teams in the playoffs. I watch vasquez closely when we play elite teams because that is what we will see in the playoffs and he always plays poorly against speedy PGs and pressure while he is dribbling. we all know OKC will be in the playoffs a long time. This is where we see if vasquez can be our PG of the future and after watching him this season and his performance against good teams, I feel he will likely be moved in a similar trade as JAcks last season
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:13 am to Jester
On the season, Westbrook scores 0.648876 pts/min
Against the Hornets, Westbrook scores 0.58744587 pts/min.
So, he scores 9.5% less per minute of action against the Hornets while being fresher from playing less minutes....
Against the Hornets, Westbrook scores 0.58744587 pts/min.
So, he scores 9.5% less per minute of action against the Hornets while being fresher from playing less minutes....
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:15 am to ebouillion
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Well i wouldnt say any of those people will be hall of famers, but they are elite
And I provided stats that showed that they do not perform above their season averages against Vasquez.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:17 am to ebouillion
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feel he will likely be moved in a similar trade as JAcks last season
I hope not.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:20 am to Jester
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So, he scores 9.5% less per minute of action against the Hornets while being fresher from playing less minutes
The statistic is flawed without more data. Would need to see a stat showing his 4th quarter averages compared to other quarters. If his scoring normally increases in the 4th quarter, that can be a cause of his per minute averages being lower against the hornets.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:20 am to dj30
What's really amazing is that some people think that if you ignore data, then it doesn't exist.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:33 am to ebouillion
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You are only going to face PGs like that in the playoffs.
No, you're not. There are 16 teams in the playoffs.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:35 am to dj30
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The statistic is flawed without more data.
Why? Because it doesn't jive with your predisposition to hate?
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Would need to see a stat showing his 4th quarter averages compared to other quarters
Are they talking about making points worth more in the 4th?
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If his scoring normally increases in the 4th quarter, that can be a cause of his per minute averages being lower against the hornets.
You are grasping at straws.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:38 am to 42
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What's really amazing is that some people think that if you ignore data, then it doesn't exist.
I've clearly been owned...
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:52 am to Jester
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And I provided stats that showed that they do not perform above their season averages against Vasquez.
Well i dont look into those advanced stats,but when watching the game it always seems like his speed is setting him back so much. I love vasquez im not a hater at all but i just dont see him being on this team when we are a serious contender. Maybe we can survive one more year of him but id rather see him go while the value is high, or at least higher than usual. All of your points are correct. But to me vasquez only works as a back up, which he'd be an elite backup, or as starting shooting guard next to an elite PG, or at least a really good one. Sort of like the heat where chalmers is listed as starting PG but really the people who run the offense are lebron and wade, different situation but the same concept. I want to keep vasquez as a great backup but i think we'd have to give him up in a trade to get a really good PG.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:55 am to Jester
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On the season, Westbrook scores 0.648876 pts/min Against the Hornets, Westbrook scores 0.58744587 pts/min. So, he scores 9.5% less per minute of action against the Hornets while being fresher from playing less minutes....
Well this season when the hornets play okc the game was usually over by the middle of the third. Westrbrook played barely any of the 2nd half yesterday and still put up 29 pts. if he would of played the 4th he would of put up 40.
Posted on 2/28/13 at 10:57 am to ebouillion
Sometimes you have to stop digging at every stat you can think of and actually watch players play.
Watching Greivis play, the guy is a decent PG that passes the ball well but has some serious defensive liabilities.
Watching Greivis play, the guy is a decent PG that passes the ball well but has some serious defensive liabilities.
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