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re: ESPN Mock 6.0 (AD and Sullinger)

Posted on 6/5/12 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by Slickback
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 3:05 pm to
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That said, Sullinger wasn't even brought in with the bigs to workout,


This tells me a lot.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 3:20 pm to
ESPN must hate the Hornets too.
Posted by Zipfer2022
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 4:11 pm to
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I'm more concerned about the Defensive end. While Davis is an elite defender, that combination would get abused by say, Memphis or the Lakers.


If we want to be that legendary defensive team what about Moe Harkless from St. John's? I think #10 is too high for him but trading for a later pick might be an option to look at. We are going to need a 3 who can guard the likes of a Kevin Durant in the future. Moe is very athletic and a terrific defender. He is a poor 3 point shooter and only shot 20% but is still very young.

If we want to go the 5 route I would actually pick Zeller over Drummond. Zeller was a beast every time I watched UNC this year. He gives you everything and has a polished offensive game around the rim.

I would also be happy with Lillard. Lord knows the Hornets need more offense, but would his D be a problem? Jack and Vasquez seem more than capable of leading the team already.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 4:15 pm to
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If we want to be that legendary defensive team what about Moe Harkless from St. John's? I think #10 is too high for him but trading for a later pick might be an option to look at. We are going to need a 3 who can guard the likes of a Kevin Durant in the future. Moe is very athletic and a terrific defender. He is a poor 3 point shooter and only shot 20% but is still very young.



Jeff Taylor is the SF that I really like to be our peremiter defensive stopper. We'd have to get back Into the mid 20s to get him, but his defense/athleticism is ELITE
Posted by kadillak
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 4:37 pm to
Sullinger not being in for workouts yesterday shouldn't mean much. Several players aren't working out due to agents' demands and some are waiting until after the big events in I want to say Chicago and Europe? The Hornets will very likely get a workout with him.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:25 pm to
So people want to draft Rivers, even though he plays the same position as Gordon? People want to draft Perry Jones, even though he plays the same position and does some of the same things offensively as Davis, and has questions about how hard he plays?

Even in this thread, people are suggesting drafting the MSU guy, who plays the same position and does some of the same things as Davis. But people don't want Sullinger, who is a perfect match to play with Davis, because he plays the same position and there are questions about his work ethic?

I also don't understand some of the stuff on this board about wanting Kendal Marshall. Why would you want a distributing pg who dominates the ball and can't shoot to pair with Gordon? Gordon handles the ball anyway, which makes Marshall a terrible fit. That's why Lillard makes much more sense.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 5:26 pm
Posted by Mr. West
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:30 pm to
I personally want Rivers mostly because of the chance that he could transfer to PG, and PJ3 has transitioned from PF to SF since his college career ended.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:43 pm to
And Davis could transfer to center. Fact is, Sullinger is a much better fit than all these other scenarios like Rivers and PJ3. Hardest thing to find in the league these days is low post scoring, and the Hornets could get a guy to pair with a dominant defensive big man.

I like that PJ3 has somehow managed to magically transition to a different position without playing any games lol. With the way the league is now, Davis being a center is more realistic than the other 2 transitions you brought up.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:46 pm to
More realistic than Rivers being a PG? Definitely not.

But I see what you're saying.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:55 pm to
If Camby could do it his entire career, Davis could do it in a league with very few dominant offensive bigs.

Positions don't really matter if you can pair a great defensive player with a guy who can score in the low post. Reason a guy like Duncan is so great is because he was both of those things in one package. That's why they could put guys like Bonner and Blair as starters next to him.

That's also why a guy like Kevin Love can't carry a team like a Duncan. He doesn't play defense. But if you paired Love with someone like Davis, that's a championship pairing in my opinion.
Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 5:57 pm to
And I definitely think it's more realistic than Rivers playing pg. Davis just needs to add a few pounds to play center, and maybe not even that. Rivers has to change his game to play pg.
Posted by kadillak
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 6:08 pm to
I want Rivers as a guy that can play both guard positions and provide immediate scoring as a 6th man. I'm not sold on him playing a true point guard, but I don't necessarily think he needs to in today's game.

Jones III's position was starting to be questioned late this season at Baylor, and the arguments are very plausible. He's mostly been working out on the wing this summer and the reports are that it looks more natural for him.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 6:09 pm to
Not in the modern nba.

I do think AD can and will play Center depending on matchups, who he's paired with, etc.

I just think Rivers is a lock to play PG. He'll definitely end up there full time, eventually.
Posted by Zipfer2022
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/5/12 at 8:41 pm to
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And Davis could transfer to center. Fact is, Sullinger is a much better fit than all these other scenarios like Rivers and PJ3. Hardest thing to find in the league these days is low post scoring, and the Hornets could get a guy to pair with a dominant defensive big man.


Don't forget about Zeller. I feel like he would have the best chemistry with Davis because of his shooting and ability to space the floor. He may even develop a 3 point shot in time.

I am looking at Chad Ford's top 100 draft prospects, and I am baffled why Drummond is #5 (Zeller #12, Sully #11). That Uconn team was disgusting last year and showed no heart. Here are the numbers 2011-12: Drummond v Zeller v Sully.

Drummond: 10.2ppg 7.7rpg .5apg 53%fgs 29%fts 1.5to 2.7blks .8stl



Zeller: 16.5ppg 9.3 rpg 1apg 55%fg 81%ft 1.5blk 1stl 2to



Sullinger: 17.5ppg 9.2rbs 1.2asst 51%fg 76%fts 1.2stl 1.1blk 2to


Posted by landrywasbeast30
Member since Nov 2011
4904 posts
Posted on 6/5/12 at 11:22 pm to
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because of his shooting and ability to space the floor


Are you talking about Davis or Zeller? They shouldn't be looking for a big to spread the floor to pair with Davis. They should look for someone who can score down low, which Zeller can actually, which is why I'm confused by what I quoted.

I wouldn't mind pairing Zeller with Davis, but like has been mentioned on this board, Zeller isn't much different than Jason Smith. They are pretty much the same guy, with Zeller being a little better scoring inside. But Zeller isn't so much better scoring inside than Smith that he is worth taking over Sullinger or Lillard. But he's not a bad third or fourth option if those guys are gone.
This post was edited on 6/5/12 at 11:30 pm
Posted by Zipfer2022
Member since Nov 2011
3757 posts
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:45 am to
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Zeller isn't much different than Jason Smith. They are pretty much the same guy, with Zeller being a little better scoring inside.






This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 1:12 am
Posted by JayJay2
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Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:48 am to
Posted by xxKylexx
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:15 am to
Given Monty Williams' philosophy, I don't think the Hornets go anywhere near Sullinger. I expect to go G at 10, depending on who is still available.
Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:39 am to
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Given Monty Williams' philosophy, I don't think the Hornets go anywhere near Sullinger.


This. He's an undersized big that will limit his defensive presence. Again, he's got some offensive game, but I don't see him being any thing more than a better version of Glenn Davis.

That's also why I think we end up taking Rivers. He creates mismatches at the PG spot which Monty will really like. And he doesn't have to be an all star pg with Gordon and Davis' athleticism. Just facilitate and be able to hit the occasional 3 pointer.

As for Davis playing center, maybe...one day. Not anytime soon. Everyone keeps pointing to Duncan, but he didn't play the 5 until much later in his career. Davis at the 5 over the next three years would get beat up by Bynum and Hibbert and Duncan. He's just too small right now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:44 am to
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They should look for someone who can score down low,

post-based offense is dying in the NBA

there are 4 teams left in the playoffs and none rely on low-post offense any great amount
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