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Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:17 pm to WindSurfer
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It has. how you gonna denie it? You gonna tell me Vasquez and Jason smith didn't improve under Monty either?
...they played more minutes than they ever should under Monty.
I don't know if they improved because of Monty or for other reasons...maybe they got better because of other reasons...maybe they just looked better because of more minutes/focus.
...what good does developing below-average players to average bench players do, anyway?...if that's Monty's claim to fame (don't think it is), then we need to try to get someone better.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:18 pm to KG5989
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Yeah... this team has really improved.... Montys gotta go.
Also Demp's fault that the team has not acquired better players.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:19 pm to drake20
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...they played more minutes than they ever should under Monty.
Not his fault. Demps has given Monty shite players and Monty has done the best he can do with them.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:22 pm to WindSurfer
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Also Demp's fault that the team has not acquired better players.
Demps has given Monty shite players and Monty has done the best he can do with them.
That's an interesting perspective. It's almost the polar opposite of
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A healthy Pelicans team with a year playing together will do wonders for the YOUNG GUYS, they will continue to grow under Monty, Jrue, AD and Rhyno are building blocks, add a solid center with an offensive game to take pressure off AD an I see these guys competing with OKC in the west!! One more year guys if he fails then It is what it is.
So is the roster full of shite players, or is it a solid center away from competing with OKC?
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:23 pm to TigerinATL
boom
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:25 pm to WindSurfer
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Monty has done the best he can do with them
If this is the best he can do with the players we have then you have completely convinced me to fire him at the end of the year.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:26 pm to TigerinATL
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So is the roster full of shite players, or is it a solid center away from competing with OKC?
Way to take my words out of context. The current roster when HEALTHY with a legit center can compete with OKC. Monty has coached very little with the healthy roster. He has mostly played with shite players the past years.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:28 pm to drake20
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they were the #3 seed in the West last season
And promptly lost in the first round.
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...not to mention, he coached contending teams in Seattle in 1996, Milwaukee in 2001, and in Denver in 2008-09.
So, he gets past the first round every 6-8 years...
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:31 pm to WindSurfer
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Examples?
...all the work Thibs has done without the former MVP, Derrick Rose.
...the way Pops' guys play every time they lose one of their big 3 for stretches...or the way they regularly just sit Parker and/or Duncan and still win, win, win.
...Karl loses Carmelo during the 2010-2011 season...the next year, they finish 38-28 and lead the league in points per game and assists per game.
These guys systems are tough to deal with if players buy in, even if they're not the greatest players. Of course, these coaches are also great at motivating and getting the players to buy in...This is extremely valuable.
...It is very hard to win a title in the NBA, but there's a lot to be said for a coach that can consistently make you a playoff team...and as it has been said, Karl's perceived inability to coach a contender is overblown.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:31 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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If this is the best he can do with the players we have then you have completely convinced me to fire him at the end of the year.
The players we have? Brian Roberts, Luke Babbit, Greg Stiemsma, Alexis Ajinca, Austin Rivers, Darius Miller, Al Farouq Aminu, Anthony Morrow...
We have a shite roster right now.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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We have a shite roster right now.
We do have a bad roster right now.
But those who are paying attention closely can see that, even with a bad roster, Monty just isn't a very good Head Coach.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:37 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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And promptly lost in the first round.
ya, to a good team...after losing a key piece very late...with a very young team and no star player....and at least they were in the playoffs which is better than what Monty does for you.
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So, he gets past the first round every 6-8 years...
...or he gives you a contender every 6-8 years...which active, available coach has titles?
...and he wins 50 games on the reg.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:38 pm to WindSurfer
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Way to take my words out of context.
They are completely in context, you just don't like how your arguments have spun out of control on you. You can't say Demps assembled a near championship roster in the OP and then throw him under the bus later because it's a convenient way for you to defend Monty. Your argument is that Demps built a good team and the injuries have robbed Monty of the opportunity to show us what a great coach he is. There is no need to deviate from your central argument and blame Demps for Monty's failures this season.
And based on the zeal, the defense of the current regime, the nonsensical commitment to your argument and then crying foul when people point out your nonsensicalness, I think I'm ready to declare Alterjandro.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:39 pm to TigerinATL
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I think I'm ready to declare Alterjandro.
Very good call
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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But those who are paying attention closely can see that, even with a bad roster, Monty just isn't a very good Head Coach.
This.
And its pretty evident that our players dont respond to him and dont enjoy playing for him / have fun playing for him. And there are good coaches (better than Monty) that would pounce on the opportunity to coach this team.
TigerinATL.... BOOOM
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:46 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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The players we have? Brian Roberts, Luke Babbit, Greg Stiemsma, Alexis Ajinca, Austin Rivers, Darius Miller, Al Farouq Aminu, Anthony Morrow...
We have a shite roster right now.
Evans, Gordon, Davis...don't you like Aminu?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:50 pm to TigerinATL
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They are completely in context, you just don't like how your arguments have spun out of control on you. You can't say Demps assembled a near championship roster in the OP and then throw him under the bus later because it's a convenient way for you to defend Monty. Your argument is that Demps built a good team and the injuries have robbed Monty of the opportunity to show us what a great coach he is. There is no need to deviate from your central argument and blame Demps for Monty's failures this season.
And based on the zeal, the defense of the current regime, the nonsensical commitment to your argument and then crying foul when people point out your nonsensicalness, I think I'm ready to declare Alterjandro.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:52 pm to TigerinATL
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They are completely in context, you just don't like how your arguments have spun out of control on you. You can't say Demps assembled a near championship roster in the OP and then throw him under the bus later because it's a convenient way for you to defend Monty. Your argument is that Demps built a good team and the injuries have robbed Monty of the opportunity to show us what a great coach he is. There is no need to deviate from your central argument and blame Demps for Monty's failures this season.
You did take my words out of context. In referring to the crap players, I was talking about previous seasons. I do put that blame on Demps. And as for this season, Monty is working with crap players because of injuries. When people say we have not improved or look at this players he sucks!!!! That is either due to injuries or Demps acquired the shitty player. Not Monty's fault.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:55 pm to TigerinATL
The two quotes you took out of context was in response to why Smith and Vasquez were playing more minutes than they should. Because Demps did not give Monty better options. And as to why the team has not improved over Montys tenure. Demps and injuries. So yes, you did take my words out of context. I never once implied the current roster when healthy sucked.
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