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Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:37 pm to OBUDan
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Good luck with that.
Hey, it's a long shot now but I'm holding out on all hope.
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Yeah, that's true enough. Other than drafting Davis and picking up some nice unknown role players, we've hamstrung ourselves pretty well. We'll be a decently competitive team that never makes a huge dent in the West IMO.
Never know. We may work out a trade that brings us a great player we need to go deeper in the playoffs. We might hit on a late draft pick like a Kawhi Leonard and build some depth. It's too early to call anything like that with how much young talent is on this team.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:39 pm to tehchampion140
Yeah, we're by no means dead here.
I, personally, would have preferred a different route, but there's still cap space and time to add additional pieces.
We need a wing scorer badly.
I, personally, would have preferred a different route, but there's still cap space and time to add additional pieces.
We need a wing scorer badly.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:41 pm to OBUDan
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We need a wing scorer badly.
I like the Chris Copeland talks. He'd be a nice shooter at the 3. He's who I'm hoping for now unless there's someone better that will come here.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:44 pm to tehchampion140
He's a solid player and definite sharp shooter. Can't defend for a lick.
Keeping the pick would have give us more FA options there.
Keeping the pick would have give us more FA options there.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 10:46 pm to OBUDan
True, but hopefully we'll have enough talent around us to not need anything more than a role player there. The Spurs just made the finals with a role player at SG and no great big men aside from Timmy.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:07 pm to OBUDan
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By what measure?
Lillard shoots it better, turns it over less. He's a far better offensive player, though not as good defensively.
It's a give and take between the two, but they are comparable enough overall.
I seriously don't think you even pay attention to basketball. You say Lillard is far better offensively, which is ridiculous, then say Lillard is just "not as good defensively", which is also ridiculous. I'm sensing a biased opinion from you here. Maybe you just hate Holiday, because these things you said make no sense.
Their offensive numbers are near identical, but Lillard was arguably the worst perimeter defender in the league. Lillard turns it over less, but he also gets fewer assists. Holiday is a better rebounder, and better at getting teammates involved. They are comparable offensively, but not even in the same stratosphere defensively. By the way, they are the same age lol.
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Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:10 pm to landrywasbeast30
Lillard is a little younger, but also was a rookie, which was the point I was making.
I just cited several numbers proving he's a better offensive player.
I also said Holiday is clearly better defensively in that same post.
I just cited several numbers proving he's a better offensive player.
I also said Holiday is clearly better defensively in that same post.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:14 pm to OBUDan
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Look how Miami struggled when Duncan protected the rim. Now imagine having two guys with that defensive potential (though one who lacks on O).
Duncan weighs more than 220 pounds, and has a post game on the other end of the floor. And he can hit jumpers. Which of these things can Noel do?
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I think Burke will be a more efficient player than Jrue,
Again, many scouts don't even think Burke is good enough to be a starter. But yes, this unproven, tiny pg, who people think is barely a starter, if that, will be better than a proven all star.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:17 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Duncan weighs more than 220 pounds, and has a post game on the other end of the floor. And he can hit jumpers. Which of these things can Noel do?
Noel probably won't ever be as big, and the other side of that is irrelevant, because I was talking about him being a rim protector.
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Again, many scouts don't even think Burke is good enough to be a starter. But yes, this unproven, tiny pg, who people think is barely a starter, if that, will be better than a proven all star.
And many scouts do. So what?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:20 pm to OBUDan
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So Jrue Holiday with 4 years experience has more value than Derrick Rose did when he was drafted?
And yes, I understand no one in this class has even Rose-like potential.
You continue to say some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen. Your argument is that you would rather have 2 unproven guys, including guys with huge red flags like Mclemore, Noel, and Burke, over proven, young, star talent. I don't get it. You still don't understand the simple fact that proven guys or more valuable than unproven guys in a weak draft.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:22 pm to cajunfury87
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My question to those who think this was a good trade is does AD/Jrue get you to a championship 4 years from now?
It gets you closer to a championship than drafting a player with huge red flags, medically and in his personal life, who is just a not as good version of a guy you already have.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:25 pm to lsuguy13
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lsuguy13
stupid frickin meth head. get fricked
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:25 pm to Overbrook
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This guy isn't a top-shelf point guard
18/8 with great defense is not top shelf?
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They had a chance to have 2 studs up front
Holiday isn't a stud, but a guy who has never played in the league and has no offensive skill whatsoever is already a stud?
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:27 pm to landrywasbeast30
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You continue to say some of the dumbest stuff I've ever seen. Your argument is that you would rather have 2 unproven guys, including guys with huge red flags like Mclemore, Noel, and Burke, over proven, young, star talent. I don't get it. You still don't understand the simple fact that proven guys or more valuable than unproven guys in a weak draft.
I mean, in three years you'd LOVE if Trey Burke or McLemore could make an All-Star game. People poo-poo it now cuz it helps their argument, but if you knew Trey Burke would make an All-Star game THIS SEASON it would be a point for their side.
But Jrue HAS made one, and it's whatever. Rose and Rondo were hurt. The way Jrue was playing that February, he might've STILL made it over them if they were playing too.
It baffles me people are treating Jrue like some scrub.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:30 pm to Eman5805
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It baffles me people are treating Jrue like some scrub.
It just really goes to show you that you can never please everyone. Give me a 17/8/4 All Star on a team with little talent to come to a team with a lot more talent over a small, project big coming off a severe knee injury and, barring an absolutely miserable season yet again, a pick outside of the top 8 or 10.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:31 pm to tehchampion140
LINK
Look at what's there outside of the top 5 for now. I'm sorry but give me Jrue over any of those guys and Nerlens Noel any day.
Look at what's there outside of the top 5 for now. I'm sorry but give me Jrue over any of those guys and Nerlens Noel any day.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:33 pm to OBUDan
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First of all, Lillard is younger and a rookie and posting similar, if not better numbers.
Holiday just turned 23, and Lillard turns 23 in like 2 weeks lol. Even if their offensive numbers are similar, if not better, their offensive abilities are a million times closer than their defensive abilities.
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Holliday had a better AST% this year, but Lillard's rookie 28.8% is right on par with Holiday's career number (also 28.8%, which includes this years career high 36.5%)
I could be wrong, but isn't the fact that Holiday's career numbers are the same as Lillard's one year numbers a check in Holiday's box? You are acting like Lillard is a 19 or 20 year old.
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Lillard took fewer shots than Jrue this year, and scored more
Lillard took one fewer shot per game, 3 more 3's per game, and scored just over one point more. Holiday averaged one and a half more assists per game. How does this equal Lillard being "vastly better" offensively? Then you just shrug aside how much better Holiday is defensively like it's nothing. Your basketball knowledge is kind of a joke.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:33 pm to tehchampion140
exactly there isnt any guaranteed all stars outside of the top 5 players in next years draft.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 11:39 pm to OBUDan
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Lillard is a little younger
Yes, like a month younger lol.
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I also said Holiday is clearly better defensively in that same post.
No you didn't. You said Lillard is not as good defensively, which is a massive understatement, while arguing Lillard is vastly better offensively even though their numbers are very similar. It makes no sense. You are wildly spinning these things, when the truth is pretty much the opposite of the way you are spinning things.
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