re: check in if you hate the trade

I think Burke's ceiling is Kemba Walker. No thanks

As a person who wanted to trade the pick months ago, I to Demps. There's no one with any basketball sense, would have passed up a chance to get an all star PG. Especially with all the bums in this years draft.

No, Im saying if they had taken one of those guys and kept them. Or possibly McLemore.

I think having any if those 3 plus your first next year gives more long term flexibility than Jrue.

Burke's college percentages are off the charts. Comparable to guys like Paul, not Kemba walker,

I don't think he'll be THAT good, but I bet he's a very efficient, quality player who thrives in p&r.

Full disclosure: rockets fan who hast watched much hornet/pels.

It's all about championships. My question to those who think this was a good trade is does AD/Jrue get you to a championship 4 years from now? Because getting to the 4 seed isn't an accomplishment.

The only way to a championship is to get lucky through the draft or to make big moves in FA (which requires cap space, a hot commodity under the new CBA). Take Noel and hope he develops, knowing that next years team won't be good so next years pick is high. Hope AD develops into what he should be. Use the cap space to feast on other teams' desperation (like my rockets Hardin trade). Next years pick turns into a stud, maybe wiggins if you get lucky. Then you've got 2 or 3 good players on rookie deals and build from there. Then next year sign the best FA available (probably not that much worse than Holiday). Notice I said hope a lot, and people are bashing on the trade because its about potential. It probably wouldn't work out like that, but the way I see it its the only way to a legit great team. But taking Jrue and giving up cap space and picks means that you're resting your hopes on Holliday/davis/gordon and cannot build anymore because you've tied yourself down. Getting Jrue means you're done rebuilding, and you don't have enough to be done rebuilding.

I guess we can agree to disagree. I just know this is way better than I could have hoped for this draft to turn out. I really didnt like anyone in this draft, so getting to basically draft an all star pg is heaven for me.

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Jrue is a far far better defender,

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I agree.

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Jrue had a better FG% the same 3 pt % but avg 1.3 pts less. Oh and Holiday had more assist. He did have more turnovers, but its not like Lillard didn't turn the ball over at a decent rate as well.

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First of all, Lillard is younger and a rookie and posting similar, if not better numbers.

Lillard's TS% is .546
Holiday's TS% is .496

Holliday had a better AST% this year, but Lillard's rookie 28.8% is right on par with Holiday's career number (also 28.8%, which includes this years career high 36.5%).

Lillard took fewer shots than Jrue this year, and scored more. So he's a more efficient scorer.

Lillard's rookie TOV% is better than the percentage posted by Jrue in 3 of his 4 years in the league.

He's a vastly better offensive player.

Efficiency matters.

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But I don't have much reason to trust Demps, honestly. We maxed Gordon, who is still a big question mark. You need Gordon healthy, focused and motivated. If so, he's really a great player (much better than Jrue). But we haven't seen any of those three things from him.

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Didn't have much of a choice. We weren't getting anything in a S&T close to the value of a healthy Gordon. Most NBA GMs would and should take the risk of a 20PPG efficient scorer over some decent talent.

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We wasted no. 10 on terrible Austin Rivers.

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Absolutely can't call that pick a waste after 1 season. Not comparing the 2, but Kobe went from 7 points a game as a rookie to one of the greatest players ever. Give it some time before you call that pick a waste. Anyone watching him last year saw his flashes and can see that he has a chance to be a solid player.

Read Cajun fury and obu Dan posts. That's how I feel. And we just picked another PG?