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re: In Defense of Mikey (Michael Anthony, formerly of Van Halen)
Posted on 6/22/15 at 11:13 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
Posted on 6/22/15 at 11:13 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
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Well according to the article, the vocals were more Eddie than Mike.
Even if that were true (it's not) - it's definitely not true live.
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 11:17 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
Michael Anthony is the rock of Van Halen's sound. Not just because, as a few have pointed out, he was the one guy in the band who could stay in his frickin' lane and just lay a solid groove while everyone else vamped all over the place. But his harmonies are a crucial part of the band's sound. He provides terrific backing vocals.
I'm not a huge VH fan, but Anthony always seemed like the kind of guy you'd want in your band, both for his skills and his personality.
I'm not a huge VH fan, but Anthony always seemed like the kind of guy you'd want in your band, both for his skills and his personality.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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But, Dave is also legitimately crazy -
In defense of Dave, no, he's not crazy at all. Arrogant and outgoing, yes. Crazy? No fricking way.
You seem like a nice enough guy, but sometimes you say stuff that just doesn't hold up to closer scrutiny.
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Combined with the massive drug/alcohol problems with the band in their heyday - it is just lucky that all past and present members of Van Halen are still alive.
As well known as the drugs and drinking were, Dave is the only one that you never heard of going through rehab. Most likely that has to do with his life when they would come off the road and his outside interest. It's kind of hard to find cocaine in the middle of some jungle. And a long term drugged out lifestyle is not really possible if you're really deep into martial arts or shite like being an EMT. Dave had a whole other life he led for much of his time away from Van Halen. Whereas Eddie and Alex have nothing really going on outside the band, Dave and Mike both had a lot of other things they did or do. Granted, Alex has been sober for many years now and has raised quite a family. Eddie's really the one that got the most off the rails with the substances, by far.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:35 pm to lsuin92
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I read Sammy's autobiography on vacation and really enjoyed his stories about the band. I always preferred Van Halen to Van Hagar, but it gave me some more insight to his years with VH, and a better appreciation for what they accomplished.
And really, after seeing DLR stumble and bumble through their most recent performance on Jimmy Kimmel, Sammy would probably be a much better fit for them now... too bad they seem to hate each other.
I couldn't concur more with this post in total.
Dave has, over the decades, talked about the same difficulties as Sammy talked about in his book in getting Eddie to write music and in getting Alex to stand up to him.
The way that Sammy describes Eddie's total contempt for the fans and his debilitated physical and mental condition during their last couple tours really blew my mind.
But then, I guess if I had been a Van Hagar fan and actually followed the band after the F.U.C.K. tour and album it wouldn't have surprised me as much. One listen to Strung Out off Balance is enough to tell you there was something seriously wrong going on. That shite sounds exactly like the kind of crap someone lost in a coke hole would put out.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:41 pm to Ace Midnight
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Well according to the article, the vocals were more Eddie than Mike.
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Even if that were true (it's not) - it's definitely not true live.
Anybody that's ever remotely been a Van Halen fan knows that's not true. The same goes for anyone that's seen Mike with Sammy's solo band or in Chickenfoot. His voice stands out quite distinctly. Eddie did sing backup, but he sings in nowhere near the same register or with the same power as Mike.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:07 pm to Sayre
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One listen to Strung Out off Balance is enough to tell you there was something seriously wrong going on
I had never even listened to Balance until recently, picking it up at a Used CD store along with Van Halen III with Cherone (just to round out my VH collection)
Balance wasn't terrible, just the weakest of the Sammy stuff.
I never really listened to VH III, but decided to play it today because of this thread... wow, it's crap!
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:12 pm to Sayre
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Dave is the only one that you never herd of going through rehab.
I think he led the cleanest life of the band at their heyday (but he was crazy - little evidence to refute that) - particularly his interest in physical fitness and martial arts may have been the catalyst for this, as you suggest.
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Granted, Alex has been sober for many years now and has raised quite a family. Eddie's really the one that got the most off the rails with the substances, by far.
I don't disagree with any of that. Eddie has an extremely addictive personality - but during the 1970s - their drug and alcohol use - as a band, was legendary - and that was during an era when almost every rock band was overindulging - they were considered outliers even then.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:21 pm to Ace Midnight
Oh yeah I wasn't agreeing with Ed at all. One listen to How Many Say I is all it takes to know he can't sing for shite.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 6:51 pm to Ace Midnight
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- but during the 1970s - their drug and alcohol use - as a band, was legendary - and that was during an era when almost every rock band was overindulging - they were considered outliers even then.
I don't think it was anything more over the top than what many bands of that era were indulging in. Zeppelin, The Who, The Stones (mainly Keith Richards), AC/DC all were pretty legendary in that department. DLR was a showman. He is an articulate, well-traveled, intelligent guy and don't think he was ever really that much into the hard partying drug scene for any length of time. I'm sure he indulged but not to the extend of a Keith Richards, Keith Moon or a John Bonham.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 8:52 pm to Baloo
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But his harmonies are a crucial part of the band's sound. He provides terrific backing vocals
If anyone has seen Sammy in concert with Mikey and seen Mikey sing lead, you can tell where the VH sound comes from. He does provide excellent harmonies and for EVH to dismiss that makes him a moron.
And for the VH boys and DLR to pull a no-show at the RnRHOF was BS. Sammy and Mikey showed up and tried their best. I don't care what issue there was - songs to perform, who is on stage, etc... - you only get ONE chance to be inducted and play (no matter one's perception of the HOF). I get the feeling if you can't get along with Sammy Hagar, you're probably an a-hole.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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(but he was crazy - little evidence to refute that)
What evidence is there to support it? How is he crazy? I've been a fan for over 30 years now, and the only way he's crazy is Crazy From The Heat.
If you have access to the Rolling Stone Archives, I highly suggest you go to them and read the last big interview they did with Van Halen before Dave left. There's no way you can read it and not see some of the exact same stuff that drove Sammy out the band happening with Dave back then. It's an eye opening story.
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their drug and alcohol use - as a band, was legendary - and that was during an era when almost every rock band was overindulging - they were considered outliers even then.
No, they were not outliers. In no way were they any worse than anybody else. There is simply nothing to support that. Alex was sober I believe not long after the U.S. Festival, and Mike was never that far out there to begin with. Dave partook liberally of everything, but as we've mentioned, he was able to take it or leave it, for the most part.
And seeing as their third album was released in 1980, they really are more of an 80s band than anything else. That's especially true when you consider how they really got their most success after MTV came on the scene.
This post was edited on 6/22/15 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 6/22/15 at 9:27 pm to Chitter Chatter
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And for the VH boys and DLR to pull a no-show at the RnRHOF was BS. Sammy and Mikey showed up and tried their best. I don't care what issue there was - songs to perform, who is on stage, etc... - you only get ONE chance to be inducted and play (no matter one's perception of the HOF). I get the feeling if you can't get along with Sammy Hagar, you're probably an a-hole.
I honestly think Dave wanted to go, and would have gone, but that all went down right as he was getting back with the band and I just don't think he wanted to throw a wrench in those gears by getting on Eddie's bad side. The blood is so bad between Eddie and Sammy that there was no way Eddie was going to show up and have to face him and Mike.
Alex has long proven that he's going to take his brother's side no matter what and will never stand up to him on anything. He wouldn't have gone just so he wouldn't have to answer any awkward questions about why Eddie wasn't there.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 11:35 pm to Sayre
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:38 am to Sayre
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Crazy From the Heat
I was waiting for this one...
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:11 am to Marco Esquandolas
I didn't want to start a new thread since there was already one near the top that was VH-centric.
In high school (early 2000s) VH was one of my favorite bands, and I still really dig them to this day. In 2004 I saw them live with 3 originals plua Sammy, bc I figured I'd never get another chance again lol. It was a pretty solid show, no complaints.
Well it's not been announced that they're headlining Music Midtown in Atlanta this September. For anyone who has seen them semi-recently, how was it? I also see that DLR is the front man, which would be cool to say I saw him, but I mean he's old as shite now. I think I saw a video from a couple years back and he looked almost decrepit even then.
In high school (early 2000s) VH was one of my favorite bands, and I still really dig them to this day. In 2004 I saw them live with 3 originals plua Sammy, bc I figured I'd never get another chance again lol. It was a pretty solid show, no complaints.
Well it's not been announced that they're headlining Music Midtown in Atlanta this September. For anyone who has seen them semi-recently, how was it? I also see that DLR is the front man, which would be cool to say I saw him, but I mean he's old as shite now. I think I saw a video from a couple years back and he looked almost decrepit even then.
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