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How in the world is Ghost considered metal?

Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:17 pm
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:17 pm
They just won Best Metal Performance at the Grammy's over Lamb of God, August Burns Red, Slipknot, and Sevendust.

Can somebody explain this to me? They sound like a mediocre goth-rock band that's trying too hard to be edgy. Ghost - Cirice

ETA - Forgot that Jethro Tull once beat Metallica for the same award and St. Anger won this award as well, so whatevs.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 6:47 pm
Posted by NachoReb
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:35 pm to
I think the bigger question is how in the world were Sevendust, Slipknot, and August Burns Red nominated for a Grammy? Not that awards like that mean anything in today's music world.

Fwiw I think Ghost is awesome
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 6:52 pm to
you just need to WLCM GHST into your life
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:01 pm to
Tenacious D won last year.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:04 pm to
Anyone watching the Grammys hates music.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:06 pm to
Wasn't watching - it popped up on my news feed when blabber mouth/metal injection/loud wire posted about it.
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:20 pm to
Good
Posted by saint amant steve
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

How in the world is Ghost considered metal?


I'll spare you the cliche argument that it's because the Grammy's are clueless about any and all music genres outside of the commercial mainstream.

To answer your question, I'm not sure either. Metal is such a vast-encompassing form of music that can be as beautiful as it can be brutal. It can move at the speed of light or trudge along like a sloth through the trees.

Every time I think I have a concrete definition of metal conceptualized, I hear a new band or artist that completely obliterates my impression of what falls under the metallic umbrella.

However, I am confident to say that Ghost is borderline metal at best. They are much more aligned with '70s hard rock outfits than they are with the contemporary heavyweights of the metal genre. I think their image and theatricality contribute much more to the label than their actual sound, which should not be the case in the least bit.

Hell, for all the shite pitched by Tool fans whenever the band is likened to metal in any capacity, Tool is substantially more metal than Ghost. Mastodon, another prog outfit who has flirted with the metal taglines since their inception, also clearly possesses some of the usual tropes of metal music.

Ghost is definitely hard rock. Are they metal? Not in my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/15/16 at 7:33 pm
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:57 pm to
Has something to do with this board. The most polar opposite of all time to its intended purpose. Rappop on my tone deaf "baws".
Posted by nc14
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 7:58 pm to
Welcome to this year. Hint, Kerry Underwood is a star, a star.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:13 pm to
is black sabbath not metal?
Posted by High C
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

How in the world is Ghost considered metal


Satanic poseurs
Posted by 1MileTiger
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 8:37 pm to
I'm not a fan of Ghost's satanic vibe. I really like a few of their songs, but prefer to not blast 'Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satanas, Lucifer
Belial, Behemoth, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Satanas, Lucifer' across the house. Wife wouldn't be too thrilled.

On that note, these guys are definitely more hard rock than true metal. Trivium, Bullet for My Valentine, Parkway Drive, etc would be considered metal in today's world.

I really hope the lack of applause was due to their openness in worshiping Satan as opposed to just a complete disrespect for actual musical talent. It's a shame that one of the last true genres that "create" their own music gets no airtime and no respect.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 9:09 pm to
it's all an act people. it's entertainment.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 2/15/16 at 10:10 pm to
from the pinnacle to the pit

I guess you don't like 70's metal?
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 2:44 am to
quote:

is black sabbath not metal?


40+ years ago when, sure. Now they're played regularly on Eagle 98.1 - kinda like how Ghost is played on Octante/Faction far more frequently than Liquid Metal. Same goes for Sevendust in this category.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:06 am to
not familiar with swedish metal eh? ghost has very metal riffs and breakdowns.
Posted by LSUrme
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 8:45 am to
Will take Parkway Drive any day over Ghost.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 9:48 am to
Not even close to In Flames.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

not familiar with swedish metal eh? ghost has very metal riffs and breakdowns.



These guys are to swedish metal what Blink 182 is to hardcore punk.

As for the Grammy's and metal, Grammy is basically grandmaw. Remember that Jethro Tull won the first one. Note that there are zero Grammy nominations between the following:

Meshuggah
Opeth
Strapping Young Lad
Sepultura
Dark Tranquillity
Devin Townsend Project
Katatonia
Periphery
Type O Negative
Soilwork
Soulfly
Animals as Leaders
Amon Amarth
Bloodbath
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