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re: educate me on record players

Posted on 8/4/14 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 7:55 pm to
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Here is my rig...


I can't see the speakers, what brand?


Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 7:56 pm to
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The Pro-Ject Debut 3 Carbon with the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge is fantastic for the $$$...$400 retail and can be had new for about $350 delivered.


What I'm running on mine
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 8:01 pm to
JM Lab/ Focal...Alto Utopia Berrylium

I also have a pair of Magneplanar 1.7 planers that I rotate in and out depending on my mood. They need a shitload of power to get them running though.
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 8:06 pm
Posted by bluemoons
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:35 pm to
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Just looked at that Audio Technica LP120 you mentioned in your post. If you're going new, that looks like a really nice choice. Well worth the $250 it cost.


That's what I've heard. I'd really like to find something decent vintage like a Denon or a Kenwood but it's tough. I don't really know where to look/where to go.

Do any of you guys have experience with the LP120 such that you could recommend it? I'm gonna go to my parents this weekend and see if I can get that 2245 running. To the earlier poster about the 901s - I'm also a HUGE fan of 901s. A long time family friend designed and built Studio in the Country in Bogalusa, and his favorite speakers of all time are the 901s. He turned my old man onto them years ago, and my old man turned me onto them. I'd love to get her some 901s and if I can get the Marantz running and get a LP120 or something else to keep the total under $1500, then that's a definite possibility.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:08 pm to
There are many new loudspeakers available today that are $500-$700 that are much better than the 901s.

Spend $50 and get subscriptions to Stereophile magazine and The Absolute Sound magazine--they both have sections called "the entry level" where they review a plethora of inexpensive audio gear for people looking to do exactly what you are doing.

They also have electronic versions for the new generation.

Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:15 pm to
Also--vintage tables are like vintage cars--parts wear and get old and brittle. No matter how good the table was originally, after 25+ years the belts or idler wheel will need replacement and the bearing may also need work. Just because it turns doesn't mean it is accurate.

If you are just starting out, I recommend a new table. Once you really understand the world of 'tables and vinyl, then experiment with vintage. You sort of have to know what you are doing to understand if a vintage piece is in good shape or not.
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:21 pm to
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There are many new loudspeakers available today that are $500-$700 that are much better than the 901s.


Could you give me a starting point with some brands/models?

I'll check out the mags. Thanks a ton.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11881 posts
Posted on 8/4/14 at 10:41 pm to
Audio Advisor usually has Focal for 40% off retail for the 700 and 800 series.

Look at Canton, KEF, Mordaunt Short, PSB..there are more--just can't think of them now.

Check out Music Direct, Elusive Disc, Acoustic Sounds, Audio Advisor websites.

Also go to the forums on AudioGon and ask questions.

I run the audiophile society of Greater New Orleans and have been into this hobby for 30 years. I have had every conceivable type of gear you could imagine over the years (Amps---high powered tubes, low powered tubes, solid state, hybrid, class A, A/B, D, switching... Speakers--ribbons, planers, electrostats, horns, single source, line arrays, ported, acoustic suspension...)

I usually go to at least one of the high end audio shows every year (Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in Denver)

I still have a good bit of older gear as well that I rotate in and out upon my music and moods.

I will try to help you with any questions you may have as I have helped many younger folks starting out get systems off the ground.
Posted by Vdrine
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 12:05 am to
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There are many new loudspeakers available today that are $500-$700 that are much better than the 901s.

Could you give me a starting point with some brands/models?

I'm going to pimp Zu speakers again. A friend of mine had a pair of light-weight mono tube amps hooked up to a pair of old school Zu Druids the sound was unreal (Springsteen's Nebraska and Dire Straits Love Over Gold amazing )

These Omen Dirty Weekend $999.00 Pair like all new Zu's have a 60-day satisfaction guarantee they pay return shipping if you don't like them.

Height: 36” [91.5cm]
Footprint: 12 x 12” [30.5 x 30.5cm]
Weight: 53 pounds [24kg] each
Bandwidth: 35 – 25kHz
Efficiency: 97dB SPL 1W,1m
Impedance: 12 ohm
Power Amp Range: 4 – 300 watt
Made In Ogden, Utah—U.S.A.

Reveiw: Omen "Dirty Weekend" Edition Loudspeakers - Magnificent Sound for Less Than a Grand!
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:21 am to
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Here is my rig...


Holy crap! That setup must be worth over $10K!
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:56 am to
Those Omen DWs look pretty awesome. More curious to see how they would sound with a working 2245. Found two reviews with a Fisher 800B that seemed really positive. From a sheer power perspective it seems that the Marantz would sound equally as good if not better, but you guys know how that goes.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:28 am to
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Holy crap! That setup must be worth over $10K!


LOL, surely you are joking right?
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:51 am to
Not joking. He's got 5 McIntosh pieces in there. Those things by themselves run about $1500-$2000 each.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85934 posts
Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:54 am to
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Not joking. He's got 5 McIntosh pieces in there. Those things by themselves run about $1500-$2000 each.



I thought you were just being dumb and playing around... You're way off.

I can't see exactly what models he is working with, but in power/sources alone, I'd guess he is working in the 30-40k range. Those look to be mono blocks on the bottoms and depending on the power output/models, they are easily 8-10k a piece. Throw in the speakers, which I am not familiar with, and I'd take a wild guess that his rig is worth about 70k.
This post was edited on 8/5/14 at 9:56 am
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:57 am to
That's why I said at least $10K. I don't follow the really expensive stuff too closely.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 10:01 am to
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That's why I said at least $10K. I don't follow the really expensive stuff too closely.



I figured you knew it was high end stuff, I just thought you were joking saying 10k knowing that it was much more.

Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 11:10 am to
I wish I had $70K to drop on a stereo system. That's just insane!
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/5/14 at 11:33 am to
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Holy crap! That setup must be worth over $10K!
...I wish.

the turntable alone is over $10k...

the entire rig (racks, cabling, interconnects, equipment) is north of $85k

Enjoy the listen...
This post was edited on 8/5/14 at 11:56 am
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11881 posts
Posted on 8/5/14 at 11:37 am to
Vdrine,

I have a pair of the Zu Audio Omen in electric blue that I use for rear surrounds. They are crazy efficient and can jam with just a 10 watt amp!!

The 10" driver is a full range--some like, some dont.

I got mine a couple years ago on a Black Friday sale for $1000 delivered (regular $1500)



Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11881 posts
Posted on 8/5/14 at 11:51 am to
the rig consists of...

Power: McIntosh MC501 mono blocks (pair)
PreAmp: McIntosh C500t (two part vacuum tube pre amp)
Conditioner: McIntosh MPC1500
DAC: McIntosh D100 32 bit/192k processor
CD player: Simaudio Supernova
Turntable: VPI Aries 3 w/flywheel motor/ring clamp/center weight
Cartridge: Lyra Titan i
Speakers: JM Lab/Focal Alto Utopia Berrylium
Cables: an assortment of Nordost, Acoustic Zen, and XLO Electric


This rig is for 2 channel listening only (5.1 done by other gear)


Enjoy the listen...

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