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re: Def Leppard
Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:30 pm to lsusportsman2
Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:30 pm to lsusportsman2
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It must be really popular to hate Def Leppard nowadays.
I don't hate em. They just took a detour from the kind of music I had liked. They went from the new wave of British metal to pop.
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:32 pm to geauxbrown
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My Dad who worked as a drummer for 40 years in Nashville with many of the biggest names in country music was even impressed with not only his playing on Pyromania but the drum sound that he and Mutt produced.
Well,
to your Dad. My mother's younger brother was a guitarist/singer in Nashville from the early 1970s 'til the late 1990s or so; he also recorded and toured with lots of big-name country folks, too (Willie Nelson, Tanya Tucker, Lee Greenwood, Alabama, Charlie Daniels, the Oak Ridge Boys; etc.). Who knows, your Dad and my uncle may have worked together a time or two? Those drum sounds from Pyromania (much better than Hysteria, IMHO) laid the foundation for me with regard to how I tune my drums. To this day, even though I now know they're samples and not natural sounds, I still hear those sounds in my head when I'm tuning before a gig or a studio session.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:34 pm to Oswald
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My mother's younger brother
isnt uncle easier to say?
Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:57 pm to lsusportsman2
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but their contributions to music is still fairly significant.
See, that's where I think they are unique. I think they might be the biggest act of all time who actually ended up influencing almost nobody.
I personally think the first 2 albums are not very good (outside of the few hits.) That's why it's weird for me, the talk about Pyromania being the beginning of the end. That's lunacy. Foolin' and Rock of Ages are the very definition of rock.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 7:27 pm to TFTC
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isnt uncle easier to say?
U-N-C-L-E
Posted on 8/18/16 at 7:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I personally think the first 2 albums are not very good (outside of the few hits.) That's why it's weird for me, the talk about Pyromania being the beginning of the end. That's lunacy. Foolin' and Rock of Ages are the very definition of rock.
Nah, the difference between High and Dry and Hysteria is pretty significant. It's clearly aimed at a different audience.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, the difference between High and Dry and Hysteria is pretty significant. It's clearly aimed at a different audience.
Yeah, it's different. The earlier albums were worse. Ditto Maiden's first 2 albums. I love both of them, but they are not as good as the 5 that came after.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 9:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
I remember buying their debut album as a novelty cause all the magazines were hyping this bunch of 17 year-olds who sounded mature beyond their years. Being in a band at the time, it was a little inspiring/intimidating. 17 year olds aren't supposed to write and sound like this:
Sorrow is a Woman
Sorrow is a Woman
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
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The earlier albums were worse. Ditto Maiden's first 2 albums. I love both of them, but they are not as good as the 5 that came after.
Your musical opinions can be taken as perfect bizarro logic.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah, it's different. The earlier albums were worse.
Well, that's subjective as hell. I prefer the first two by far. They were darker, had an edge.
Again, the target audience moved dramatically.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 7:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't hate em. They just took a detour from the kind of music I had liked. They went from the new wave of British metal to pop.
Same here. High and Dry, and to a slightly lesser extent Pyromania, was music that sounded like it was meant for me (at the time), where Hysteria sounded like it was meant for my younger sister. It wasn't a bad album, just an album that was targeted for a different crowd...
On Through The Night has a few great tunes on it, but also has its share of clunkers too, so I just can't include it in the same conversation with what followed IMO...I'm sure even the band would admit they'd like to have a few mulligans for that album.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 7:56 am
Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:36 am to vandelay industries
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I'm sure even the band would admit they'd like to have a few mulligans for that album.
Well of course, why wouldn't they? The kind of music they obviously think is worthy now is total crap, so it makes sense that they would want to go back and crap up the first album if they could.
It's like a drug addict who thinks "Man, if I knew how good heroin felt all along, I would have become a junkie when I was a toddler!"
Def Leppard certainly wasted a lot of time being a kickass hard rock band there in the early years. Who needs that shite, amirite?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:03 pm to RockAndRollDetective
Actually, I've heard them criticize On Through The Night ever since High and Dry was released, so it's not revisionist thinking. It had some good songs, yes, but there still was also a bit of identity crisis going on too IMO...
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:10 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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Your musical opinions can be taken as perfect bizarro logic.
You think Iron Maiden or Killers are better than NOTB, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, SIT, and/or SSOASS?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
I think Bruce Dickinson's voice could be used by hospitals as non-oral ipecac.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:57 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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I think Bruce Dickinson's voice could be used by hospitals as non-oral ipecac.
Well, my friend, I believe that places YOU firmly on the outside of public opinion.
[/URL] Posted on 8/19/16 at 4:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
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firmly on the outside of public opinion.
Oh, without a doubt and gladly so. If I went by the appeal to public opinion I would have to cite my favorite artists as Psy and Justin Bieber. Not in this lifetime, thanks.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I love Rick, but I never found his drumming to be all that compelling or groundbreaking.
Well, when he was a badass with 2 arms or a badass with 1 arm?
I listened to a good bit of On Through the Night today - the band was scary good when they were young.
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Def Leppard, for me, was always about the quality of the songwriting as well as the vocal ability of almost everyone in the band.
I can't really explain my connection - other than I was 15 when the High n' Dry videos were on heavy rotation on MTV. Here were guys just a few years older than me - just staight up kicking arse. In no time, Pyromania was my favorite album (Photograph is my favorite song - 33 years later). The lyrics are certainly not all that deep or thoughtful (other than the occasional gem - White Lightning and From the Inside, for example, although later in the "disappointment" era for some of the gentlemen in this thread, are superbly mature and thought provoking, just as 2 examples off the top of my head.) But the compositions, certainly pre-Slang, had this balance of crunch and melody, something often missing in other NWOBHM acts.
Def Leppard WAS supremely influential - although it is obvious (and, therefore, a dubious honor) that initial influence was on hair metal acts and folks like Bon Jovi, who stayed as close to the Def Leppard template as possible - as the 80s wore on. However, they are also clearly, explicitly an influence in some post-Grunge rock acts - notably the All American Rejects, and many, many others. The sound, the melodies, the layered production.
Although they are my favorite band, somewhat ironically I tend to prefer a raw, more organic sound - if a band does that naturally. Some of the bootlegs and covers by Def Leppard show an incredible range of musical styles and influences - plus a live performance ability that is way up there as well.
You Can't Always Get What You Want - just as one example.
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