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Black Sabbath vs Iron Maiden
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:10 pm
Who is the better band in your opinion? I'll put up Paranoid against any heavy metal song ever recorded. The entire album is great. Iron Maiden have some great albums of their own: Number of the beast, Powerslave, Fear if the dark etc.
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:13 pm to euphemus
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Black Sabbath
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:16 pm to euphemus
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Black Sabbath
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:16 pm to euphemus
I listen to metal at work because coworkers play it. Sabbath is a good damn rock band. Maiden is a good metal band, their songs are corny as frick.
"2 minutes to miiiiiiiiidnight"
Eta: my answer is Sabbath by the way
"2 minutes to miiiiiiiiidnight"
Eta: my answer is Sabbath by the way
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:21 pm to euphemus
I got them 2 and 3 as my all time favorite bands, with Maiden just edging Sabbath out.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:41 pm to tigermeat
Listen to iron maaaaaiden baby with youuuuuuuu
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:45 pm to euphemus
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Iron Maiden
My favorite all time group / musician / artist.
Specifically (in no particular order)
- The lyrical material. Don't sing about love, sex, women, drugs, or rock'n'roll. The lyrics are about historical events, battles, poetry, etc.
- Dickinson's voice. He is a legit singer. I know people love Ozzy and Rob Halford and similar singers for their own reason but Bruce is a legitimate singer and it goes so well for Maiden
- The music. I know that is vague but they just have so many great rifts and tunes.
eta: Got to see Maiden in Charlotte a couple of summers ago, greatest musical experience ever.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:46 pm to TexasTiger1185
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"2 minutes to miiiiiiiiidnight"
WTF is wrong with that? Did you know that's a reference to something called the "Doomsday Clock"?
Ain't a damned thing wrong with Midnight.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:52 pm to tigermeat
It depends what you're discussing. In terms of which band is more influential Black Sabbath wins hands down. They are the forefathers of metal and owe claim to launching at least five or so sub-genres (e.g. doom, stoner, thrash to an extent). If it wasn't for them there would be no Iron Maiden.
With that being said, Iron Maiden is a much more talented band across the board. Bruce Dickinson belongs on the Mount Rushmore of metal vocalists along with the likes of Halford, Dio, and (insert vocalist).
Clive Burr is far and away a more skilled and talented drummer than Bill Ward ever was.
Steve Harris is not only one of the perennial bassists in metal but in all music. Seriously, who plays that fast without a pick?. His song-writing prowess is about as impressive as anything the genre has ever seen and he helped expand the boundaries of heavy music through elaborate arrangements and extended instrumental pieces (see Rime of the Ancient Mariner).
Finally, for all the greatness that Tony Iommi possesses as a riff-master, he was always limited in terms of sheer volume and sound because he was the lone guitar player in his band. Meanwhile, Adrian Smith and Dave Murray became one of the most prolific guitar duos in heavy metal and remolded the concept of twin leads.
Also, I would argue that Iron Maiden has had greater longevity and had a more impressive run of albums to start their career. Number of the Beast trumps everything in the Black Sabbath catalog with the exception of Paranoid, but even that record seems less epic and overpowering as Iron Maiden's third album.
Plus, Bruce personally pilots his band around the world. How cool is that?!
With that being said, Iron Maiden is a much more talented band across the board. Bruce Dickinson belongs on the Mount Rushmore of metal vocalists along with the likes of Halford, Dio, and (insert vocalist).
Clive Burr is far and away a more skilled and talented drummer than Bill Ward ever was.
Steve Harris is not only one of the perennial bassists in metal but in all music. Seriously, who plays that fast without a pick?. His song-writing prowess is about as impressive as anything the genre has ever seen and he helped expand the boundaries of heavy music through elaborate arrangements and extended instrumental pieces (see Rime of the Ancient Mariner).
Finally, for all the greatness that Tony Iommi possesses as a riff-master, he was always limited in terms of sheer volume and sound because he was the lone guitar player in his band. Meanwhile, Adrian Smith and Dave Murray became one of the most prolific guitar duos in heavy metal and remolded the concept of twin leads.
Also, I would argue that Iron Maiden has had greater longevity and had a more impressive run of albums to start their career. Number of the Beast trumps everything in the Black Sabbath catalog with the exception of Paranoid, but even that record seems less epic and overpowering as Iron Maiden's third album.
Plus, Bruce personally pilots his band around the world. How cool is that?!
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:56 pm to saint amant steve
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Steve Harris is not only one of the perennial bassists in metal but in all music. Seriously, who plays that fast without a pick?. His song-writing prowess is about as impressive as anything the genre has ever seen and he helped expand the boundaries of heavy music through elaborate arrangements and extended instrumental pieces (see Rime of the Ancient Mariner).
It's a shame he may never get the credit and attention that he deserves for his song writing skills.
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Plus, Bruce personally pilots his band around the world. How cool is that?!
Saw a recent interview where he is hoping to fly an old WW1 plane over the crowd at a music festival some time soon.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:56 pm to saint amant steve
Solid post.
I agree that Number of the Beast is the best work by either band. Such an epic album.
I agree that Number of the Beast is the best work by either band. Such an epic album.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:03 pm to TexasTiger1185
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"2 minutes to miiiiiiiiidnight"
I guess the next thing you're going to tell us is that "Ace's High" is hokey, too, right?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:08 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
In all truthfulness, the more logical and appropriate debate would be Judas Priest vs. Iron Maiden. The two groups are more comparable in terms of their style and history, and Halford vs. Dickinson would spark much more discussion.
Say what you want about what Ozzy did for heavy music during his career, but the fact of the matter is that he was a sub-par vocalist who seldom wrote any of the lyrics he sang.
Say what you want about what Ozzy did for heavy music during his career, but the fact of the matter is that he was a sub-par vocalist who seldom wrote any of the lyrics he sang.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:17 pm to saint amant steve
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In all truthfulness, the more logical and appropriate debate would be Judas Priest vs. Iron Maiden.
Completely agree - the 2 definitive groups of NWOBHM and they are the British roots of (the good and the bad) the hair metal explosion in the 80s.
Sabbath is more rightly compared with Deep Purple, and, to a lesser degree, the heavier progressive acts such as King Crimson.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:19 pm to TexasTiger1185
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Maiden is a good metal band, their songs are corny as frick.
Corny, huh? Obviously, you never bothered to listen to "Hallowed Be Thy Name", "Phantom of the Opera", "Run to the Hills", "Wasted Years", or, as I mentioned earlier, "Rime of the Ancient Mariner". Harris' classical allusions to mythology and literature is quite impressive when you examine it in-depth.
Also, as much as I love "music with a message", Iron Maiden was able to write appealing songs that didn't have to harp on rebellion and teenage angst (with the exception of their early single "Running Free"). Black Sabbath's politically charged message in "War Pigs" was appropriate at the time because it was pertinent to the Vietnam War. However, Iron Maiden rose to fame during a period relatively devoid of war (at least in the United Kingdom). Any band that can write intelligent lyrics without having to glorify the reoccurring mantra of 'sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll' in order to gain attention, has my respect.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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the 2 definitive groups of NWOBHM
I agree with your remark but it's funny how I always consider Judas Priest as being apart from the NWOBHM. Like Motorhead, they had already released several albums by the time bands like Iron Maiden, Saxon, Raven, Angel Witch, Samson, and Def Leppard garnered notice. What hurt Judas Priest during the late '70s was the punk movement in the U.K. Halford has discussed, with much disdain, about the lack of musicianship inherit in punk and how it managed to monopolize the teenage demographic during those years. Priest toured relentlessly in the U.S. for years before finally receiving their just due back home.
Hell, Sad Wings of Destiny was released way back in 1976. Keep in mind how intense that record was compared to contemporary acts such as Kiss, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, etc. By the time British Steel was released in 1980, Judas Priest was a well-seasoned band who had already recorded a live album in Japan and had provided metal with it's distinct leather-based image.
Although they are technically placed under the umbrella of NWOBHM, they seem more like the missing link between Sabbath and the bands of the early '80s.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:36 pm to saint amant steve
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Although they are technically placed under the umbrella of NWOBHM, they seem more like the missing link between Sabbath and the bands of the early '80s.
Not unfair - but JP was a pioneer of the dual guitar lead - the fact that it took a while for it to catch on as a sound wasn't their fault, nor does it make the analysis invalid. They weren't progressive, they weren't punk, they weren't glam - the closest analogues would have been Sabbath, Deep Purple, Zeppelin and perhaps the heavier AOR bands of the mid-70s (who were also influenced heavily by Zeppelin and Sabbath.)
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Not a fair question: Sabbath(Originator) vs Madien (Perfecter) . Better question is Iron Maiden vs Judas Priest. JMO
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:44 pm to bherm1988
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Better question is Iron Maiden vs Judas Priest. JMO
Yeah - that's what Steve and I are saying.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:07 pm to euphemus
Sabbath
Those first six albums are flawless
Those first six albums are flawless
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 8:08 pm
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