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re: Billy Corgan interview worth watching about the status of music:

Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:10 am to
Posted by White Shadeaux
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:10 am to
I'll chime in: let's hear the stories.

Also, wasn't Corgan in a metal band or something in the 80's and then rode the alternative train in the 90's, then dabbled in electronic elements in the 00's...?

I respect the guy as a writer and producer, but I'll take his critiques of music with a grain of salt.
Posted by StarSaint
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:12 am to
Love him or hate him, Corgan brings up solid points about the state of the music industry and what the future may hold for it.

Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:02 am to
He does make some solid points but also fails to mentioned that maybe the system that got him rich was viewed by people as wrong and needed to be corrected.
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 9:04 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:09 am to
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maybe the system that got him rich was viewed by people as wrong and needed to be corrected


What? How was the system wrong? Was he or other bands paid with money that was forcibly taken from anyone? Did the music industry use the government to pass laws that protected them from competition or something? Did the government bail out record lables and still paid people like BC huge bonuses?
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:10 am to
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wasn't Corgan in a metal band or something in the 80's and then rode the alternative train in the 90's


I don't if he did or didn't, but Stone Temple Pilots did just that, maybe that's what you heard.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:23 am to
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Was he or other bands paid with money that was forcibly taken from anyone? Did the music industry use the government to pass laws that protected them from competition or something? Did the government bail out record lables and still paid people like BC huge bonuses?

really?


Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:38 am to
Well, what was "wrong" about the system that got him rich?
Posted by White Shadeaux
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:40 am to
Everyone complains about a 'system'....unless they are killing themselves to get into that system.

Like Hollywood pukes. Do anything to get rich, and once there, its all about how everyone should pay 90% taxes.
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 9:57 am to
First, you and I are a lot alike in wanting to challenge each and every thought of posts being made. But did you listen to him? It came off to me as the way it worked for him in his time was the right way for artists. Maybe so. But what I posted was more of a statement to ask why he didn't try to challenge that argument of maybe that was the wrong way compared to today from the people or fans' viewpoint.

I'm still trying to figure out how you came up with governmental policies from all that.

Posted by Standing ona beach
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:36 am to
He's just little POed cuz his music isn't as relevant as it once was or possibly as good cuz the kids today listen to a bunch of crap and they get it for free and those artists for a lack of a better word don't mind cuz they be famous. (for a minute)
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:47 am to
I think Billy makes some valid points but I don't agree with his overall stance in the interview. I don't think there is a "right way" for the music industry. The way musicians make money has definitely changed, but music isn't the only industry that has had to adapt to changes brought forth by technology. You can sit and complain about how great things used to be, or you can use technology to your advantage to gain an edge on everyone else. The old way of doing things in music is not relevant any more, which is what Billy says in the interview. He also makes it seem like a negative thing that artists actually have to be more creative to succeed, which is bullshite. That is a good thing and will make music overall better for the human experience.

And his whole bit on complaining about some kid making music on pro tools shouldn't be considered a genius is also bullshite. Maybe he doesn't realize that fans of music don't give a shite about how the music was recorded and mixed, or how much experience the person has doing it. Fans of music know what they like to hear, and that doesn't hinge on the method of recording. He's just mad because the learning curve is so much lower than it used to be, making it easier for musicians to sound good with less effort.
Posted by RealityTiger
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 10:56 am to
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the learning curve is so much lower than it used to be, making it easier for musicians to sound good with less effort.

Uh, no. And if that is the case, it's not that as much as it is that the standards of all music fans have dropped.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:00 am to
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Uh, no. And if that is the case, it's not that as much as it is that the standards of all music fans have dropped.


Are you serious? You can honestly say that a young Billy Corgan from 1991 would have an easier time recording Gish than he would in 2012? You've got to be kidding me. Musical taste has nothing to do with my point. I'm talking about the recording process and getting the best out of your instruments.
Posted by Standing ona beach
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:02 am to
Well with all that being said I still prefer a band that writes their own music and can actually play the instruments needed. Pearl jam is a perfect example with the whole boycott of Ticketmaster and refusing to make videos.
Posted by LSU
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:04 am to
Got to hang out with him & the other Pumpkins at a bar after a show years ago. Billy was pretty cool & had some intelligent conversations with a few of us over a couple hour period. Have a great deal of respect for his thoughts on the industry.
Posted by RealityTiger
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:05 am to
I misunderstood you. Don't mind me, it been a frickin long week.

Posted by SUB
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 11:26 am to
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I misunderstood you. Don't mind me, it been a frickin long week.
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