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re: Artists that go solo or start another band that is better than the original.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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Only if you call them "The New Yardbirds
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:13 pm to Ace Midnight
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Audioslave over RATM
Oh dear god
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:16 pm to Jester
"No Jacket Required" is the best album Phil Collins recorded. I know your the obscure guy on MB, and these debates are futile. It's like telling a Weezer fan Blue is better than Pinkerton.
I know this goes against your entire musical value system, but sometimes, just sometimes, the pop album that sells 25 million copies is in fact, the better album than the prog rock album 100 musicians dig.
I know this goes against your entire musical value system, but sometimes, just sometimes, the pop album that sells 25 million copies is in fact, the better album than the prog rock album 100 musicians dig.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:24 pm to ItNeverRains
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I know your the obscure guy on MB, and these debates are futile
You being musically uneducated doesn't make me "the obscure" guy. Nice try, though.
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I know this goes against your entire musical value system, but sometimes, just sometimes, the pop album that sells 25 million copies is in fact, the better album than the prog rock album 100 musicians dig.
Making up bullshite again. I like how you make thinly veiled personal attacks the entire basis of your argument. Keep listening to Don't Lose My Number while telling yourself it's a fantastic piece.
No Jacket Required was my absolute favorite album as a child, so your whole argument is just stupid.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:43 pm to ItNeverRains
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I know your the obscure guy on MB
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:53 pm to Jester
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Oh dear god
You say that like there are three people who hold this opinion.
Audioslave is a rock act. RATM is a rap/rock/political activist outfit. The only difference is Cornell over de la Rocha.
Now, from where I sit, Chris Cornell is a hall of fame (or should be) vocalist and lyricist. He led a great band (Soundgarden. Maybe you've heard of them), then formed a "supergroup" with the backline from RATM. They made some damned catchy rock songs.
I accept there are many old school RATM fans that do not like Audioslave at all. That's valid. I like RATM as well as Audioslave. I prefer songs off the first Audioslave album, particularly.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:58 pm to Jester
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Artists that go solo or start another band that is better than the original. quote: I know your the obscure guy on MB, and these debates are futile You being musically uneducated doesn't make me "the obscure" guy. Nice try, though. quote: I know this goes against your entire musical value system, but sometimes, just sometimes, the pop album that sells 25 million copies is in fact, the better album than the prog rock album 100 musicians dig. Making up bullshite again. I like how you make thinly veiled personal attacks the entire basis of your argument. Keep listening to Don't Lose My Number while telling yourself it's a fantastic piece. No Jacket Required was my absolute favorite album as a child, so your whole argument is just stupid.
I am in complete shock and awe from that rebuttal.
but I do agree with ya on AS vs RATM.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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The only difference is Cornell over de la Rocha.
bullshite. Go back and listen to the Civilian demos. They sounded fresh. It sounded like a nice mixture of the styles. I was beyond excited. Then the actual album dropped and all of the uniqueness of the sound was stripped down and they became another generic post-grunge/alternative band. The slick bass lines were gone. The inventive guitar techniques were minimized. It became a major label production.
Also, do you really think they became apolitical sans Zach? That's pretty silly. Tom was probably the bigger driving force there than Zach ever was.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:07 pm to Jester
elliott smith >>>>> heatmiser
i find both these surprising, though i admit i havent listend to much battles past the first couple of releases.
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The Mars Volta > At The Drive-In
Battles > Don Caballero (I love Don Cab, though)
i find both these surprising, though i admit i havent listend to much battles past the first couple of releases.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:10 pm to cigsmcgee
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i find both these surprising, though i admit i havent listend to much battles past the first couple of releases.
Battles only has the two LPs. I actually prefer the first, as I really like the way Tyondai uses his vocals and guitar to play off of Ian. All in all, I just feel like their albums are more focused than Don Cab. I absolutely love a few songs on ever Don Cab album, but I also feel like there are a few duds, too.
Both of them are fantastic exercise music.
ETA - As for At The Drive In, I'm just not a big punk/hardcore fan.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:12 pm to Jester
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Also, do you really think they became apolitical sans Zach? That's pretty silly. Tom was probably the bigger driving force there than Zach ever was.
Didn't make it into the first album vibe, though. Morello may be "as" political as Zach, but it would hard for me to buy "more" political than Zach.
While I haven't heard the demos you described, I did notice they reined in the rhythm section of Audioslave quite a bit. The positives were the vocals and guitar were more focused, but the reason I listen to RATM is the rhythm section.
So - your point there is very likely valid. I still like the overall sound of Audioslave (again, primarily the first album), but a more unleashed Commerford (the strongest player in both bands)/Wilk would have been an improvement.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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While I haven't heard the demos you described
I doubt the mediafire is still active, but here's a link where you can read about it.
Civilian Project
We Got The Whip was my jam.
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Morello may be "as" political as Zach, but it would hard for me to buy "more" political than Zach.
Dude, he created an alter ego, The Nightwatchman, to express his political views that were stifled in Audioslave. I don't see how anyone could argue that Zach is more political.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:29 pm to Jester
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I don't see how anyone could argue that Zach is more political.
Didn't. Said they were about the same. Maybe I should have clarified and said I believe Zach is the "gold standard" for political singers. Ergo, if I put Morello, his bandmate, in the same category, that probably means I think RATM is the most political band and that de la Rocha and Morello are the most political artists in rock music.
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Dude, he created an alter ego, The Nightwatchman, to express his political views that were stifled in Audioslave. I don't see how anyone could argue that Zach is more political.
Careful there, Jester - you're starting to make my points for me.
Audioslave was not a "political" band -despite the presence of 3 members of RATM. This "stifling" and The Nightwatchman seem to confirm this.
I think you're trying to pivot from our actual disagreement (i.e. I like Audioslave better than RATM - which I also like, and you like RATM, but not Audioslave) to one which we do not have (at least I'm not hearing you support it), particularly that Audioslave was a relatively apolitical rock act, while RATM is THE definitive political rap/rock outfit of the late 20th century.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:34 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think you're trying to pivot from our actual disagreement (i.e. I like Audioslave better than RATM - which I also like, and you like RATM, but not Audioslave) to one which we do not have (at least I'm not hearing you support it), particularly that Audioslave was a relatively apolitical rock act, while RATM is THE definitive political rap/rock outfit of the late 20th century.
I will agree that Audioslave was apolitical. In fact, the band was really a sanitized supergroup, which is the root of my problem with them. It was just boring and emotionless in a lot of respects.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:41 pm to harmonics
Not agreeing with all of these but is good for the debate:
Paul Simon - Simon & Garfunkel
George Michael - Wham
Bobby Brown - New Edition
2Pac - Digital Underground (if that qualifes, not sure he would be considered a band member)
Dr Dre - NWA
Paul Westerberg - The Replacements
Paul Simon - Simon & Garfunkel
George Michael - Wham
Bobby Brown - New Edition
2Pac - Digital Underground (if that qualifes, not sure he would be considered a band member)
Dr Dre - NWA
Paul Westerberg - The Replacements
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 3:00 pm to Jonas
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Paul Simon - Simon & Garfunkel
Stunningly crazy (after all these years) - although I like Simon's solo work.
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Bobby Brown - New Edition
Dude, seriously?
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2Pac - Digital Underground (if that qualifes, not sure he would be considered a band member)
I agree with this one.
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Dr Dre - NWA
Dr. Dre (as an artist) is a one album wonder, Jonas. NWA was a phenomenon. Dre surpassed both himself and NWA in his role as a behind-the-scenes guy, but Dre (the rapper) versus NWA isn't really all that close (and my favorite "rap" album is The Chronic).
Posted on 5/6/13 at 3:03 pm to harmonics
Derek and the dominoes >cream>yardbirds
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:47 pm to jose canseco
Bob Marley > The Wailers
Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:53 pm to ChoupiqueSacalait
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Bob Marley > The Wailers
I dare you to say that in Jamaica.
Peter Tosh > Bob Marley
ETA - Did Bob ever even make an album without "The Wailers"?
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:13 pm to Jester
Might add that I don't necessarily believe it. Exodus is hard to beat, but Peter did write the vast majority of their music until he and Bunny quit.
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