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Acoustic guitar saddle questions.

Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 2:12 pm
My Alvarez saddle has crumbled at the G and B string. Causes buzz. Questions....

1. Compensated saddle vs. non? What I have now is compensated.

2. Anyone switch a saddle on an Alvarez? Are these glued in place? I’ve never checked in all the times I’ve strung it.

3. Favorite brand and or material?

The difference in cheap or top of the line looks to be about 10 bucks unless I want it mate of whale bone. Lol
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96247 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

1. Compensated saddle vs. non? What I have now is compensated.


I'm agnostic, but it was compensated to begin with, I'd be highly reticent to change that.

quote:

2. Anyone switch a saddle on an Alvarez?


No - I suspect glued, but I have no reason to say that other than that's been my general experience.

quote:

3. Favorite brand and or material?


Personally I would get real bone. And you have to decide if you want/need slanted bass or not - and, again, I would go with what was on there unless there was a really compelling reason to change.

Finally, I would figure out what brand/material Alvarez uses or recommends. Not saying I would definitely go with that, but I would consider that a starting point for finding a comparable replacement or even, upgrade (if that's a thing, although I think nuts are more commonly upgraded than saddles).

Good luck.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 6:09 pm to
It is very, very, very, very rare that you will buy a nut or a saddle that are stick-on ready. Saddles are typically too tall, too thick, too thin, etc., and will have to be finely modified to fit your guitar, set action right and stuff. So don't be discouraged if you get a replacement saddle and it's not perfect straight out of the gate. They NEVER are, for all practical purposes.

I have yet to find a saddle material (or nut material for that matter) that I like as much as bone. Just get bone.

Usually saddles are not glued into the bridge. If the old one is difficult to remove, it's more likely due to a tight saddle slot. Pull straight up with pinch nose pliers if it's stuck.

Use the old one as the gauge as to how much material you need to take off the new one and where. Use adhesive sandpaper stuck to a tabletop to remove material. That will help to keep things straight and square.

Take off a little at a time, check your progress and then take off a little more. The golden rule is you can always take off a little more but putting material back is a bit more challenging.

It goes without saying make sure your guitar's other set-up points (truss rod/relief, nut slots) are dialed in before you replace the saddle.

Edited to add advice from a guy who does this for a living to a guy who rarely if ever does this ... get two saddles, maybe even three when you buy your blanks. I can almost promise you if you have never done this before, that the first one will end up somewhere between rendered useless and destroyed when you are done with it. But it will teach you what to do and what not to do when you begin work on that second saddle.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 6:17 pm
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
14742 posts
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:15 pm to
... what he said

It'll help to draw a pencil line across bottom of saddle prior to sanding. Just set the new saddle upright and draw a line parallel to the bottom, just scribe it down low and dragging against the table top (see above). Never had a problem but have heard keeping it square/plumb/not tilted is one common error to especially take note of.

An old cabinet maker trick is to put sand paper on a glass top. He claimed this was the flattest surface for sharpening chisels using sandpaper.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:42 pm to
quote:

I'm agnostic, but it was compensated to begin with, I'd be highly reticent to change that.



I’m bumping to pointedly ask why? My Blueridge is uncompensated and keeps tune like a bastard. My issue with this particular saddle (I feel) is that it being compensated at the b string made for very small string to bone contact surface. I think this caused the material to crumble at the b and also the g strings. No the g string was not on the same portion of the bridge.

Is it unheard of to go from a compensated to non?
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1383 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:57 pm to
Not at all unheard of, put an non-compensated saddle on first. Like we said above, saddles are cheap. If intonation is very negatively affected (I don't think it will be), go back to a compensated saddle. You gleaned practice seating that first saddle, the second will likely fit a little better!
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 7:49 pm to
Cool. Thanks.
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