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re: 30th anniversary of 7th Son of a 7th Son
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:51 pm to Hetfield
Posted on 4/16/18 at 8:51 pm to Hetfield
Back in the Village is awesome. So is Die With Your Boots On.
Rime of the Ancient Mariner skews the song length average on Powerslave, along somewhat with the song Powerslave. The rest of them aren't as long as a lot of the later stuff.
Rime of the Ancient Mariner skews the song length average on Powerslave, along somewhat with the song Powerslave. The rest of them aren't as long as a lot of the later stuff.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 10:09 pm
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:09 pm to Sayre
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Rime of the Ancient Mariner skews the song length average on Powerslave, along somewhat with the song Powerslave. The rest of them aren't as long as a lot of the later stuff.
Not sure what you mean by "later stuff", but I think even exclusive of Rime, Powerslave has the longest average track length. Certainly longer than 7th Son (which is why I mentioned it in the first place, since the guy was complaining about song length), No Prayer and Fear of the Dark.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 2:55 pm to Sayre
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Was when they really lost the plot. Songs were too proggy. Just sounded soul less. Maybe two good songs on the album, if that.
Doesn't begin to compare to the first 5 albums they released. It's not even in the same universe as TNOTB.
The tour was pretty good. Saw 'em at UNO. Opened with Moonchild.
Show started about an hour late. Frehley's Comet was the opening act, and they got so drunk they were 45 minutes late for the show. Was a pitiful, sloppy mess on their part.
You need help
Posted on 4/17/18 at 5:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Not sure what you mean by "later stuff"
Everything after it.
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but I think even exclusive of Rime,
You're mistaken. Rime is almost 14 minutes long. There's your average, esp when one song on 7th Son is sub-4 minutes. The rest area about the the same. Hell, 3 on Powerslave are 4 and a half or less.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:12 pm to Sayre
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It's not even in the same universe as TNOTB.
For me, TNOTB and Piece of Mind are the gems in the catalogue, although I have a soft spot for Powerslave (obviously) and Somewhere in Time.
Honestly, if all the other Maiden albums didn't exist, I'd be happy with those 4.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:37 pm to Sayre
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You're mistaken. Rime is almost 14 minutes long. There's your average, esp when one song on 7th Son is sub-4 minutes. The rest area about the the same. Hell, 3 on Powerslave are 4 and a half or less.
Nope. If you take Rime out, the average song is 5:21.
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If you do the same thing for 7th Son (of course taking out the 10-minute-long title track), then the average song is 4:51. (And if you leave in the title track, then the average is still only 5:21.
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No Prayer? 4:37
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FOTD? 4:49
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The point is that it is an invalid criticism to claim that the songs on 7th Son are when Maiden just got into songs that were too long, while Powerslave is a perfect masterpiece. It's demonstrably false. Powerslave not only has the single longest song, but EXCLUDING THAT SONG, it has the highest average song length.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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The point is that it is an invalid criticism to claim that the songs on 7th Son are when Maiden just got into songs that were too long, while Powerslave is a perfect masterpiece. It's demonstrably false. Powerslave not only has the single longest song, but EXCLUDING THAT SONG, it has the highest average song length.
I think you're resurrecting the old argument - 7th Son came at a time when heavy music was starting to change - GnR was coming into their own, plus ...And Justice for All and Hysteria would come out in 1988 - Maiden had a good bit of single success for a heavy act up to that point, particularly after Killers, and didn't seem to get any traction with 7th Son.
Song length was used to excuse the fact this was more of a concept album than a singles package (which most would say is a good thing), but I found that the songs just weren't as good, track-for-track, as my "big 4" - again from TNOTB through Somewhere in Time. And you're right - Powerslave and Somewhere in Time were both 8-track discs (just like 7th Son) and were both 8 minutes longer.
They just had better songs from an A&R, "single" standpoint, I suppose. Certainly for my money.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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Hysteria would come out in 1988
Hysteria came out in the summer of 1987. This is noteworthy because the last single (I think "Rocket") didn't chart until 1989 I believe. Truly, one of the most astounding commercial juggernauts of all time.
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Maiden had a good bit of single success for a heavy act up to that point, particularly after Killers, and didn't seem to get any traction with 7th Son.
Is that right? I've never thought of 7th Son as having "no traction". I thought it was a big international smash.
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Song length was used to excuse the fact this was more of a concept album than a singles package (which most would say is a good thing), but I found that the songs just weren't as good, track-for-track, as my "big 4" - again from TNOTB through Somewhere in Time. And you're right - Powerslave and Somewhere in Time were both 8-track discs (just like 7th Son) and were both 8 minutes longer.
They just had better songs from an A&R, "single" standpoint, I suppose. Certainly for my money.
That's odd. I'll just have to respectfully disagree. As much as I love all of them, I've always thought of Piece of Mind and Powerslave as having songs that are the closest to being called "filler" (although I still love most of them. For me 7th Son just does not have a weak moment. It's almost perfect. There's nothing I would remove. Even on TNOTB, I could get by never hearing Gangland again. Piece of Mind has the abyssmal Die with Your Boots On - but I also don't really ever have to hear Sun and Steel or Quest for Fire again.
Now, Somewhere in Time is close to perfect also. I guess when it comes down to it, I view SiT as having taken it to a whole new level - and 7th Son continued it. Whereas you guys seem to think SiT marked the end of an era.
I can agree that No Prayer for the Dying was a bit weak (still love, though.) And Fear of the Dark was good too, but had some filler.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:02 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Hysteria came out in the summer of 1987. This is noteworthy because the last single (I think "Rocket") didn't chart until 1989 I believe.
I really should be more up on this than I am - I didn't hear the album until the warm up for the Heart concert in Baton Rouge in (I believe) October 1987, but could have been September. The album had 10 singles out of 12 tracks. It was a watershed moment in "heavy" music, although by that time the boys from Sheffield had little in common, musically, with their NWOBHM brethren Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.
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Is that right? I've never thought of 7th Son as having "no traction". I thought it was a big international smash.
The album itself charted and sold well. Considering the previous 4 albums are all U.S. Platinum and 7th Son remains Gold, I would strongly suspect it is not considered a "smash" by the suits. It was their first UK #1 since TNOTB, though.
For my own purposes, Can I Play With Madness is probably my least favorite Maiden song that got any radio airplay. Now that I look at it - 7th Son was about their most successful "singles" album for the UK market. They never charted a single in the U.S.
When I think of Maiden "singles" - I'm thinking Run to the Hills, Ace's High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, The Trooper, Flight of Icarus, The Number of the Beast, Wasted Years and, maybe, Stranger in a Strange Land. I just don't give much thought to 7th Son or the tracks from it.
Maybe I was too old by that point.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:50 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Yep, the Bad Animals tour. That was after the Summer of '87 when the Alone video played perhaps literally 3 times every hour for 2 months.
Heart concert in Baton Rouge in (I believe) October 1987
quote:Wow, that surprises me.
The album itself charted and sold well. Considering the previous 4 albums are all U.S. Platinum and 7th Son remains Gold, I would strongly suspect it is not considered a "smash" by the suits. It was their first UK #1 since TNOTB, though.
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For my own purposes, Can I Play With Madness is probably my least favorite Maiden song that got any radio airplay. Now that I look at it - 7th Son was about their most successful "singles" album for the UK market. They never charted a single in the U.S.
It is amazing how huge they are despite basically zero industry support. Steve Harris will die a god.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
Hear the Mandrake scream... aarrggghhhh!!!
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