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Variety: Why 2025 Was Such a Dud for Struggling Cinemas

Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:18 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:18 pm
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The past 12 months were supposed to turn things around for struggling cinemas. But instead of heralding a dramatic return to moviegoing, 2025 is running neck-and-neck with the middling 2024 box office, and will fall far short of the $9 billion in domestic ticket sales that most analysts expected the theatrical movie business to easily eclipse. Prior to the pandemic, North American revenues would regularly hit between $10 billion to $11 billion. The 2025 results are a massive disappointment that no amount of spin can change. (Already there’s talk of how much better 2026 will be.)

“There’s an unfortunate trend, which that we just can’t get the industry to $9 billion at the domestic box office,” says Mike Sherrill, the chief operating officer of dine-in cinema chain Alamo Drafthouse. “It looks like it’s going to be two years in a row that the industry flatlined.”

More worrisome is the reality that many of the movie business’s biggest franchises are showing signs of oversaturation or fatigue. Marvel continued to struggle with its B Team heroes; February’s “Captain America: Brave New World” and May’s “Thunderbolts” lost tens of millions during their theatrical runs, while July’s “The Fantastic Four: First Steps” will only eke out a modest profit. And even though “Avatar: Fire and Ash” ($760 million and counting), “Wicked: For Good” ($504 million) and “Jurassic World Rebirth” ($869 million) will rank among the year’s top-grossing releases, they will fail to match the revenues of previous films in their respective series. Clearly, the theatrical industry can’t thrive on sequels and spinoffs alone.


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It was a disappointing year for many adult-oriented dramas, with the likes of “The Smashing Machine,” “Bugonia” and “Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere” failing to make much of a dent at the box office. However, some studios took artistic gambles that paid off handsomely, none more so than Warner Bros., which bet on idiosyncratic horror films like Ryan Coogler’s “Sinners” and Zach Cregger’s “Weapons,” both of which attracted huge crowds after they debuted to rave reviews. And awards buzz helped another of the studio’s auteur-driven films, Paul Thomas Anderson’s “One Battle After Another,” gross more than $200 million. The only problem: With a budget of $140 million and tens of millions spent on marketing, the film stands to lose $100 million theatrically since studios and exhibitors essentially split ticket sales.

“The good news is that when a movie catches the eye of a filmgoing audience, they are ready and excited to go. We saw all kinds of movies work this year,” says Adam Fogelson, chair of the Lionsgate Motion Picture Group. “The challenge is if you have something that, for whatever reason, doesn’t spark people’s interest, the floor is non-existent, regardless of the level of star power. You can have a movie that the audience likes and no one goes to see.”
 

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Exhibitors have, in fact, been turning to alternative content to populate their screens during the slower months. “Kill Bill” or “Back to the Future” re-releases or “Jaws” anniversary screenings have helped Alamo, for one, pace 5% ahead of the industry’s year-over-year returns. But cinema operators are keenly aware that oldies aren’t going to keep the lights on by themselves. They need Hollywood to supply the kind of new releases that turn multiplexes back into the epicenter of culture.


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Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:24 pm to
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It was a disappointing year for many adult-oriented dramas, with the likes of “The Smashing Machine,” “Bugonia” and “Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere” failing to make much of a dent at the box office. However, some studios took artistic gambles that paid off handsomely, none more so than Warner Bros., which bet on idiosyncratic horror films like Ryan Coogler’s “Sinners” and Zach Cregger’s “Weapons,” both of which attracted huge crowds after they debuted to rave reviews. And awards buzz helped another of the studio’s auteur-driven films, Paul Thomas Anderson’s “One Battle After Another,” gross more than $200 million. The only problem: With a budget of $140 million and tens of millions spent on marketing, the film stands to lose $100 million theatrically since studios and exhibitors essentially split ticket sales.


This is part of the problem IMO. Used to, studios took chances on films like this KNOWING they weren't going to make a ton of money on them. It's become an issue that it's not ok anymore if it doesn't make money because they're failing to make money on movies that used to be big money makers.

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Exhibitors have, in fact, been turning to alternative content to populate their screens during the slower months. “Kill Bill” or “Back to the Future” re-releases or “Jaws” anniversary screenings have helped Alamo, for one, pace 5% ahead of the industry’s year-over-year returns. But cinema operators are keenly aware that oldies aren’t going to keep the lights on by themselves. They need Hollywood to supply the kind of new releases that turn multiplexes back into the epicenter of culture.


I'm surprised more don't do this. We've been to Xscape a couple times this year to see classic movies that have been re-issued.

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Clearly, the theatrical industry can’t thrive on sequels and spinoffs alone.


Correct.

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What really has theater owners and some studio chiefs concerned as the year closes out is what the future will hold if Netflix is able to secure government approval for its $82.7 billion deal to buy Warner Bros. Already, Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos has hinted that he believes that “windows,” industry jargon for the amount of time that movies play exclusively in theaters, are too long.


This should be rightfully terrifying to movie theaters. Because the window is already too short IMO. We had multiple movies this year that by the time we got around to getting out to see them they were in the purgatory of only being available on X streaming service (that we don't have) and taking FOREVER to be available to rent digitally.

ETA: I haven't read the whole article yet but is there any acknowledgment of the cost of attending a movie these days? Or having to have the time to sit through 30+ minutes of previews?
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Civildawg
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:35 pm to
This may be just a personal issue but if they tickets weren't so expensive I would go more and not feel like I only need to go to see blockbuster films. My theaters ticket and popcorn prices have basically doubled in the last 5 years
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:48 pm to
This is why Netflix purchasing Warner Bros. is good.

Theaters are dying industry. Streaming is where it’s going to be at.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:52 pm to
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This is why Netflix purchasing Warner Bros. is good.

Theaters are dying industry. Streaming is where it’s going to be at.


Theaters dying isn’t good.

There is something to be said in having that experience in leaving your home for something that doesn’t involve drinking or eating (as the primary attraction). The reduction of third spaces like this in communities is a net negative for society as a whole.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:55 pm to
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This may be just a personal issue but if they tickets weren't so expensive I would go more


It's a huge issue. I'm taking two of my buddies to see Marty Supreme tonight. Almost 40 bucks for their two tix. I'm fine with that, but I can understand people not wanting to spend that on movies.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:56 pm to
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Theaters dying isn’t good.

There is something to be said in having that experience in leaving your home for something that doesn’t involve drinking or eating (as the primary attraction). The reduction of third spaces like this in communities is a net negative for society as a whole.


Completely agree. Also, all the job losses. I'm not sure why anyone would celebrate it
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:59 pm to
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Completely agree. Also, all the job losses. I'm not sure why anyone would celebrate it


It's particularly harmful for kids/teenagers as well. They really don't have the Mall anymore, especially if you live in an area where they're restricting the age of who can be there without an adult. A lot of places won't hire teens (the movie theater was a guarantee of a job when I was a teen).

The movie theater growing up was somewhere I could go with my friends that wasn't terribly expensive (we had the $1 movies) and that was safe for us to go to without an adult present.

It's another thing under cutting spaces where developing kids can learn to be safely independent. And to not be stuck on their phone/internet 24/7.
This post was edited on 12/29/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:03 pm to
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This is part of the problem IMO. Used to, studios took chances on films like this KNOWING they weren't going to make a ton of money on them. It's become an issue that it's not ok anymore if it doesn't make money because they're failing to make money on movies that used to be big money makers.
publicly traded studios are the same with movies and games. They make it impossible to innovate, favoring safe and predictable.

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:05 pm to
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This is why Netflix purchasing Warner Bros. is good.

Theaters are dying industry. Streaming is where it’s going to be at.
theaters will never die. They will become fewer, with fewer screens. There will always be profitable movies and event films.
Posted by Huey Lewis
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:28 pm to
Ticket prices are too damn high. Ticket prices are so damn high because production costs are too damn high. Production costs are too damn high because it takes way too many people to create a CGI shitfest movie. The best thing that could happen is if AI is used as a tool to replace human created CGI.

Small production teams could focus on story, acting, cinematography, costumes and set design, etc. where high caliber output is a product of talent and not money. Then supplement with AI to create the effects at a fraction of the cost.
Posted by jdd48
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:34 pm to
I know it's alot to ask these days, but how about we get more movies that:

- are not bad remakes/sequels of good movies
- don't include obvious forced diversity
- don't push woke narratives
- aren't full of terrible CGI
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:41 pm to
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The reduction of third spaces like this in communities is a net negative for society as a whole.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this will continue to become the norm as digitalization continues to become more and more advanced.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:51 pm to
Better movies will get people in there. The one issue is that people like TV shows like landman that is basically an 8 hour movie. Hard to compete with that.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 1:57 pm to
That is a lot of words for

Go woke, go broke.

Hollywood does not make good movies any longer, because they are afraid to. You can blame prices and covid from 5 years ago, but at the end of the day it has been their decisions of what they think movies the the people needed to see, not what they wanted to see.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:14 pm to
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Go woke, go broke.
Lack of trust in studios is a problem.

But I would argue it is less than 20% of what ailed the movie industry in 2025

Huge budgets on safe, uninspired movies is a far greater problem
Posted by StansberryRules
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:20 pm to
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that turn multiplexes back into the epicenter of culture.


Not happening no matter what they do.
Posted by TigerWerm
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:23 pm to
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I know it's alot to ask these days, but how about we get more movies that:

- are not bad remakes/sequels of good movies
- don't include obvious forced diversity
- don't push woke narratives
- aren't full of terrible CGI


this... more good comedies that are group viewing experiences
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:28 pm to
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Theaters are dying industry. Streaming is where it’s going to be at.


Theaters need to work on attracting and keeping the right customers. I'd say about half the time I go to the theaters these days there's extremely disruptive people.

And I don't mean just checking their phone a couple times, I mean talking throughout the movie, their phone ringing, or just being intentionally loud and annoying to other people in the theater.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 3:28 pm to
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this... more good comedies that are group viewing experiences


I was watching Bruce Almighty on TV the other day. I decided to pull up it's box office and saw it made just under 500 mil WW. It's crazy that studios just gave up on comedies.
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