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re: Thoughts on the American Revolution by Ken Burns?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:32 pm to biglego
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:32 pm to biglego
When he did The Civil War and Baseball he wasn't "Ken Burns" yet and was pretty even keeled on his presentation (other than parroting Al Stump's bullshite about Ty Cobb). Once he felt he had attained some stature as a documentarian his biases and propagandizing showed through more and more.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:34 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Funny coincidence that they thrived for thousands and thousands of years and then committed suicidal genocide just as we got here.
We could say the same thing about cavemen.
Or white people playing basketball.
Thrived until they got outcompeted.
Wiped out eventually by economic development and superior agriculture. Indians limited their technological advances to war advancement which they bought from whitey. If only they valued advancements other than war instruments like horses and guns.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 7:01 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Once he felt he had attained some stature..... his biases and propagandizing showed through more and more.
Sounds like a director I know ( looking at you, James Cameron)
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:28 pm to UFFan
Never caught it. 10 or 15 years ago there was a two or three part docu-series on the History of America that I thought was just amazing that I thought covered it all well enough and engaging. Shame I can't find it for the life of me.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:42 pm to UFFan
I am fully willing to admit America’s warts through our history but Burns just decided to go off on tangents throughout to where I trailed off.
Acting like Franklin’s one time offhand comments about Iroquois rule being the entire basis of our constitutional republic was about enough of that.
I had a very engaging history teacher for 1302 in college and I really enjoyed him but by about October, I kinda figured out he was reading some things directly from Howard Zinn and was trying to steer us to a certain view. I stopped trusting historians as easily after that.
Burns is trying to get cute with that.
Acting like Franklin’s one time offhand comments about Iroquois rule being the entire basis of our constitutional republic was about enough of that.
I had a very engaging history teacher for 1302 in college and I really enjoyed him but by about October, I kinda figured out he was reading some things directly from Howard Zinn and was trying to steer us to a certain view. I stopped trusting historians as easily after that.
Burns is trying to get cute with that.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:13 am to Willie Stroker
When you are a Stone Age civilization and you are opposing pre-Industrial and Industrial Aged ones, there is only one way that struggle is going to turn out.
In 300 yrs of fighting the white man, Indians did not develop one significant technology. European/American civilization went from the age of sail to steam power, mass industry, repeating weapons, locomotive transportation, industrialized agriculture and the ability to change the terrain/environment. Indians should be grateful we allowed them to survive at all.
In 300 yrs of fighting the white man, Indians did not develop one significant technology. European/American civilization went from the age of sail to steam power, mass industry, repeating weapons, locomotive transportation, industrialized agriculture and the ability to change the terrain/environment. Indians should be grateful we allowed them to survive at all.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:23 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Indians should be grateful we allowed them to survive at all.
What other country has an arrangement like The United States but the "Natives" are thriving?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:51 am to bad93ex
Exactly
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:54 am to bad93ex
quote:What does that mean?
What other country has an arrangement like The United States but the "Natives" are thriving?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 10:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
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What does that mean?
Reservations set aside for indigenous peoples.
Australia and New Zealand come to mind immediately
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:02 am to bad93ex
quote:Some of the highest poverty rates in the U.S.
Reservations set aside for indigenous peoples.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:06 am to SoFla Tideroller
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In 300 yrs of fighting the white man, Indians did not develop one significant technology. European/American civilization went from the age of sail to steam power, mass industry, repeating weapons, locomotive transportation, industrialized agriculture and the ability to change the terrain/environment. Indians should be grateful we allowed them to survive at all.
i will not "argue" but I will say that the Comanche adapted to mounted warfare on horses enough that the gave us issues for a good long while.
They could release a dozen arrows before we could fire two shots for most of our conflict.
Us having a Civil War helped them regroup a little bit, but after we focused on that and got six shooters and it was over.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:08 am to 3nOut
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They could release a dozen arrows before we could fire two shots for most of our conflict.
Then why didn't whitey just revert to English longbows? Quit buying into the noble savage mystique.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:10 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Then why didn't whitey just revert to English longbows? Quit buying into the noble savage mystique.
saying that the Comanches mastered the horse and gave us hell for a few years around the civil war is buying into the noble savage mystique???
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:17 am to 3nOut
The "dozen arrows" per 2 firearm shot malarkey
Posted on 4/13/26 at 11:21 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Some of the highest poverty rates in the U.S.
Worked with quite a few Natives about 20 years ago and the "smart ones" leave the reservation as soon as possible.
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