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re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:19 am to LSUvegasbombed
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:19 am to LSUvegasbombed
The commercial breaks were insane.
Im hoping its on hulu. Id rather wait a day then have to fast forward every 5 mins
Im hoping its on hulu. Id rather wait a day then have to fast forward every 5 mins
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:39 am to OMLandshark
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quote: Seriously how did travolta even make it out of pre-production? Friggin horrible.
He's putting forth the best performance. He will almost certainly get an Emmy nomination, if not the win.
I disagree to the point that I thought you were kidding earlier and was playing along.
I even watched a Shapiro interview on YouTube because I did not recall him speaking in the bizarre manner that travolta was. My wife even asked "did Robert Shapiro talk with his teeth closed or something?"
Horrible acting job, at least coming out of the gate.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:42 am to OMLandshark
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How do they explain his blood everywhere that it could possibly be to incriminate him?
It wasn't everywhere and Barry Scheck slammed that evidence like a master. He was incredible. F Lee Bailey destroyed Mark Fuhrman. One of the last demos the jury saw was the idiocy of the gloves. To seal that deal was the perhaps accidental brilliance of Johnny Cochran's "If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit". I'm white and I watched every minute of that trial. I wouldn't have needed any time to vote for acquittal. Doesn't mean I thought he was innocent. I thought there were too many holes to convict. The shoes would have filled in those holes and overridden the bungling. They needed those shoes badly.
Watching that first episode reminded me of how fascinating that trial of the century was. Most people, white or black, didn't want to believe OJ Simpson could have committed that crime. That changed as the trial went on for some. The first episode was well done.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 10:45 am to Gris Gris
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I wouldn't have needed any time to vote for acquittal.
you must be the #1 pick for jury duty
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:04 am to TigerCub
Great, great article you posted.
"Which was really the reason why I argued before the trial started that they should not be allowed to bring in the race card, because there's no point in slamming Fuhrman for whatever he might be if he had no opportunity to do anything wrong. And initially, [Judge Lance Ito] ruled with me. And then the following day, F. Lee Bailey basically stood up and screamed at Ito, and Ito reversed himself. That to me was the turning point in the trial. Once you open the door and say, “Yes, we can bring in the race card,” it's the camel's nose. It became a donnybrook. And the whole trial got subverted."
Wow, I didn't realize just how terrible Ito was. What a pussy.
"Which was really the reason why I argued before the trial started that they should not be allowed to bring in the race card, because there's no point in slamming Fuhrman for whatever he might be if he had no opportunity to do anything wrong. And initially, [Judge Lance Ito] ruled with me. And then the following day, F. Lee Bailey basically stood up and screamed at Ito, and Ito reversed himself. That to me was the turning point in the trial. Once you open the door and say, “Yes, we can bring in the race card,” it's the camel's nose. It became a donnybrook. And the whole trial got subverted."
Wow, I didn't realize just how terrible Ito was. What a pussy.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:08 am to Cole Beer
Ito was pitiful and easily intimidated.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:19 am to Gris Gris
Leno built on his lead over Letterman with the O.J. trial. 1995 was huge for Leno, he had the Hugh Grant interview that put him over Letterman, then Letterman made the mistake of vowing to not make jokes about the Simpson case. Leno went full out with his "Dancing Ito's" and made the Simpson trial the focus of his nightly monologues.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:24 am to Gris Gris
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It wasn't everywher
It was everywhere they needed to pronounce him guilty.
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F Lee Bailey destroyed Mark Fuhrman.
And made it all about him being a racist instead of about the evidence in hand.
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One of the last demos the jury saw was the idiocy of the gloves. To seal that deal was the perhaps accidental brilliance of Johnny Cochran's "If the gloves don't fit, you must acquit."
Leather shrinks when exposed to the elements and especially liquid, and OJ stretched his hand out as far as possible so it wouldn't fit. That was retarded on the prosecutions part, but it was by no means a smoking gun.
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I'm white and I watched every minute of that trial. I wouldn't have needed any time to vote for acquittal.
So you need less than 4 hours to go over every piece of evidence in a trial that lasted a year? No fricking way could you go through all that evidence. If the jury were to pronounce him innocent, it should have taken a few days to deliberate amongst themselves. Instead they said frick it, they didn't want to risk their lives by returning to their ghettos with OJ in prison, and didn't think it through whatsoever.
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I thought there were too many holes to convict. The shoes would have filled in those holes and overridden the bungling. They needed those shoes badly.
No they didn't. We know he owned the shoes, and one of 300 pairs in the entire country. That's good enough.
If you can't convict OJ with the ridiculous amount of evidence that was against him, then the only viable piece of evidence from this day forward is video evidence. Just let people murder each other with blood evidence, but so long as that person wasn't recorded doing it, then let him off. There's no reasonable doubt that he killed them. Fortunately, they had that in Vegas, so he got put away.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:34 am to Cole Beer
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Wow, I didn't realize just how terrible Ito was. What a pussy.
Ito really should have immediately stepped down after that farce of a trial. Single most incompetent judge in American history, and by a wide margin. Ito should have tried to wrap up this trial as quickly as possible and gotten the cameras out of the courtrooms. Instead he turns it into a media circus and lets the trial last nearly a year, which makes it escalate in the public assuring riots should OJ be pronounced guilty. Shame on Judge Ito. He should have had his position stripped away immediately as well as his rights to practice law. He's the primary person who made sure OJ got off. Just pure incompetence and I don't know how the man had the balls to sit in the court from that day forward. Clearly has no shame whatsoever in directly causing the biggest failure in Justice in American history.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:05 pm to wish i was tebow
I agree but I did enjoy the trailers for The Americans season three. I was starting to think that they had canceled the show as it has been so long.
Also, the new Clooney movie looks good.
Also, the new Clooney movie looks good.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:43 pm to Dick Leverage
The biggest take away I got from the first episode was if OJ never kills those 2 people the world would never have to suffer through the Kardashians.
I hope he riots in hell just for that.
I hope he riots in hell just for that.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:52 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Leno pretty much made a career out of OJ and Bill Clinton jokes.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:01 pm to OMLandshark
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It was everywhere they needed to pronounce him guilty.
Including in the trunk of the cop's car over the weekend.
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And made it all about him being a racist instead of about the evidence in hand.
He did his job and Fuhrman gave it to him on a silver platter by lying. He was a horrible witness.
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Leather shrinks when exposed to the elements and especially liquid, and OJ stretched his hand out as far as possible so it wouldn't fit. That was retarded on the prosecutions part, but it was by no means a smoking gun.
The leather shrinking wasn't strong enough.
The prosecution put on evidence they weren't sure would work. Stupid move. They looked like buffoons. It was a smoking gun to the jury.
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So you need less than 4 hours to go over every piece of evidence in a trial that lasted a year?
If you sat through the trial and listened and looked, you don't need to go back through every piece of evidence. Quick verdicts happen. I sure didn't need to look through more. I realize my position isn't the popular one because everyone believed he was guilty and he was. The question is whether they proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. For me, they didn't. They screwed it up one side and down another. The defense blistered the prosecution and won in my mind regardless of guilt or innocence, sadly.
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No they didn't. We know he owned the shoes, and one of 300 pairs in the entire country. That's good enough.
It wasn't good enough.
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Fortunately, they had that in Vegas, so he got put away.
Thank goodness. I was so glad when they nailed him.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:04 pm to Havoc
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Seriously how did travolta even make it out of pre-production? Friggin horrible.
What I don't get is what exactly he is trying to do. It's like he is going out of his way to do these weird facial expressions of someone else instead of Shapiro. He has this kind of fart-smelling scowl on his face or maybe that is what his face is frozen on after so much botox.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:07 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:26 pm to OMLandshark
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Leather shrinks when exposed to the elements and especially liquid, and OJ stretched his hand out as far as possible so it wouldn't fit. That was retarded on the prosecutions part, but it was by no means a smoking gun.
And he tried them on over rubber gloves. Just an idiotic gambit by the prosecution. The gloves were his make and model and his size. That was good enough. I don't see how a fitting was going to add anything, except maybe to give the jury a live visual image of him at the crime scene.
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No they didn't. We know he owned the shoes, and one of 300 pairs in the entire country. That's good enough.
I thought they couldn't tie him to the shoes during the criminal trial. The old images of him wearing the same shoes were found and admitted during the civil trial.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:46 pm to Speedy G
Years ago, I bought Christopher Darden's book "In Contempt" and read the entire thing.
Basically, the evidence was overwhelming. They had everything except an eye witness.
But the defense team turned the trial into a fiasco, and race should have never been involved.
I watched last night and will watch the rest of this series.
Basically, the evidence was overwhelming. They had everything except an eye witness.
But the defense team turned the trial into a fiasco, and race should have never been involved.
I watched last night and will watch the rest of this series.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:00 pm to Speedy G
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I thought they couldn't tie him to the shoes during the criminal trial. The old images of him wearing the same shoes were found and admitted during the civil trial.
I believe that was correct. They couldn't prove the purchase of the shoes nor could they prove he wore those shoes at the time. They may have even called a guy from Bloomingdales who sold clothing and shoes to him and who couldn't recall selling him the shoes. I can't recall right now if that was part of the trial or something I read afterward.
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And he tried them on over rubber gloves. Just an idiotic gambit by the prosecution. The gloves were his make and model and his size. That was good enough. I don't see how a fitting was going to add anything, except maybe to give the jury a live visual image of him at the crime scene.
I think they were trying to undo the damage from Fuhrman by having him put them on in front of the jury. It wasn't going to undo it all, but they likely thought the visual, as you say, would be convincing. I don't think the rubber gloves hindered his putting them on. I think it was shrinkage and possibly changes in his hands from arthritis.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:06 pm to GIbson05
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from the first episode was if OJ never kills those 2 people the world would never have to suffer through the Kardashians.
I felt like they tried a little too hard to highlight the Kardasian angle last night in order to bring in the Kardashian level viewers
Posted on 2/3/16 at 2:07 pm to wish i was tebow
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insane. Im hoping its on hulu. Id rather wait a day then have to fast forward every 5 mins
I watched it on couch tuner right after it ended in real time
Decent quality and they cut out the commercials
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