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re: The Conners premier just started
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:08 pm to blueboy
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:08 pm to blueboy
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I always liked Different Strokes, but I never wanted Dudley to get rammed in the arse by an old white man.
Especially when the old white man was Arthur "Big Guy" Carlson from WKRP.
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When it turns into a PSA, it's over.
"Tonight - on a very special Blossom..."
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Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:49 pm to toosleaux
john goodman is a bona fide, no bullshite, highly respectable movie star who excels at drama, comedy, and action. he has achieved success at the top 1% of his industry, and has more iconic roles than a dozen of his peers put together
why the frick is he bothering with this drivel?
why the frick is he bothering with this drivel?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:03 pm to MorbidTheClown
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this show is not even remotely funny without roseanne. what a horrible idea.
Psst...it was not funny last season with Roseanne.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:06 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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Psst...it was not funny last season with Roseanne.
I've never understood the longevity of this show. It was good for a season or two.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:06 pm to blueboy
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When it turns into a PSA, it's over.
There was an episode about Jackie's boyfriend beating her.
There was an episode about Jackie and Roseanne going to a lesbian bar that wasn't shown by a couple affiliates because it was so "controversial" at the time.
There was an episode about DJ not kissing a black girl and Roseanne not letting a black man into the diner because she thought he was going to rob them.
Roseanne or Dan's mom had mental illness focused episodes.
Roseanne has always had "very special episodes".
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:47 pm to Tactical1
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A lot of people would praise this show because it would tackle issues that face middle American families.
Opioid addiction is one of those things, but now all of a sudden it's uncreative and lame
Wtf? Lol are you high... you're totally in a different universe and missing the point.
Last season dealt with opioids and was fine in that regard... the uncreative piece is KILLING OFF the main character in order to write her off the show.
It was a quick and uninspired attempt to give a reason why she isn't there anymore, but does not fit in with last season. She wasn't super addicted to opioids and things were actually looking up with the insurance paying off and her getting the operation needed.
It makes no sense she's OD on painkillers after all that.
And it's disrespectful to the series because now you watch back on the 90s episodes with the sense that Roseanne is going to OD at the end.
The writers and network made no attempt to give the character a sendoff respectful to the fans, much less one with a possibility that she could return later if needed. Nope she's dead now.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:04 pm to cgrand
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why the frick is he bothering with this drivel?
Ah... I shall reply with one of the all time great lines from a bona fide, no bullshite, highly respectable movie star. "People ask me why I'm playing in this picture. The answer is simple: Money, dear boy."
That was from Laurence Olivier, just about as respected an actor as you can find in the history of cinema.
Goodman has stuck with the role not only because he's getting a lot of money, but because everyone else involved with the project is as well. He can turn down 3 million. But Laurie Metcalf? One of the other cast members? That would be taking away their retirement.
So Goodman stars in a crappy sitcom for half a year, nets a nice payday, and sets up quite a few people he's known for years as well.
I think he will be able to sleep at night with his decision.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:08 pm to BurningHeart
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It was a quick and uninspired attempt to give a reason why she isn't there anymore,
I don't believe you understand the sitcom television writing process as much as you want to think that you do.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:17 pm to Tactical1
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I don't believe you understand the sitcom television writing process as much as you want to think that you do.
Explain your point then
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:33 pm to BurningHeart
Well I already did.
But in regards to your response it's completely full of confirmation bias. You didn't want to like the premiere so you weren't going to.
Of course they made no attempt because there was no intention of her ever appearing on the show again. Armed with the knowledge that your main actor is not returning and you have to write a show furthering the family you can use the death of the main character to further the story of the Conners.
Also, not every television character gets this great send off. I don't know why fans of the show would have expected one anyway knowing that she wasn't going to be involved at all. I wouldn't Peg ABC as being completely disrespectful to the series or its fans, after all they did revive the show 20 years after it was over so you got to see more Roseanne than you otherwise would have.
If you didn't like it because you are a fan of the series then that's fine, but to say it's lousy writing just because you feel disrespected as a fan is a bit much.
But in regards to your response it's completely full of confirmation bias. You didn't want to like the premiere so you weren't going to.
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The writers and network made no attempt to give the character a sendoff respectful to the fans, much less one with a possibility that she could return later if needed.
Of course they made no attempt because there was no intention of her ever appearing on the show again. Armed with the knowledge that your main actor is not returning and you have to write a show furthering the family you can use the death of the main character to further the story of the Conners.
Also, not every television character gets this great send off. I don't know why fans of the show would have expected one anyway knowing that she wasn't going to be involved at all. I wouldn't Peg ABC as being completely disrespectful to the series or its fans, after all they did revive the show 20 years after it was over so you got to see more Roseanne than you otherwise would have.
If you didn't like it because you are a fan of the series then that's fine, but to say it's lousy writing just because you feel disrespected as a fan is a bit much.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:39 pm to toosleaux
Did everyone miss the 11 year old sitting down to do his homework and whips out an Algebra 2 book? I was a sophomore when I took that.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:39 pm to BurningHeart
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And it's disrespectful to the series because now you watch back on the 90s episodes with the sense that Roseanne is going to OD at the end.
If you can get past Dan's resurrection you can get past Roseanne's death.
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The writers and network made no attempt to give the character a sendoff respectful to the fans, much less one with a possibility that she could return later if needed. Nope she's dead now.
They can't just say she ran off to Aruba with the poolboy.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 6:59 pm to Tactical1
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Of course they made no attempt because there was no intention of her ever appearing on the show again. Armed with the knowledge that your main actor is not returning and you have to write a show furthering the family you can use the death of the main character to further the story of the Conners.
Also, not every television character gets this great send off. I don't know why fans of the show would have expected one anyway knowing that she wasn't going to be involved at all. I wouldn't Peg ABC as being completely disrespectful to the series or its fans, after all they did revive the show 20 years after it was over so you got to see more Roseanne than you otherwise would have.
If you didn't like it because you are a fan of the series then that's fine, but to say it's lousy writing just because you feel disrespected as a fan is a bit much.
Your whole point centers around that no one expects Roseanne Barr to return to the show, so it's okay to do whatever is needed to write her off.
My point is that they could have done a better job writing her off the show than just saying she OD'ed on painkillers. It's so easy to just kill someone off than write them off creatively.
As I said in my previous post, it does not fit in with the last season that she'd OD on them. And you never know what could happen in the future. Death is a character's finality.
It was lazy and disrespectful writing.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:01 pm to saintsfan22
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If you can get past Dan's resurrection you can get past Roseanne's death.
I didn't like Season 9 but at least it was part of the show. Not a lazy way around writing someone off.
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They can't just say she ran off to Aruba with the poolboy.
You saying ODing on painkillers was the only option? No... writers could do a much better job of writing the MAIN character off the show than the lazy kill off.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:07 pm to toosleaux
Yeah, folks are riveted to their couches to catch up with Darlene's magnetic charm and the travails of a Middle school tranny.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:20 pm to BurningHeart
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Your whole point centers around that no one expects Roseanne Barr to return to the show, so it's okay to do whatever is needed to write her off.
no, it doesn't. But like I said it's confirmation bias so you need to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to not like this.
The fact that you keep calling this disrespectful is pretty evident of that.
They are using her death and her cause of death to set up the story of the Conner family. If it were lazy writing she would have just left the family or died with no explanation.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:29 pm to toosleaux
Didn’t watch . . .
But was it AfterMash bad?
But was it AfterMash bad?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:32 pm to Tactical1
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no, it doesn't. But like I said it's confirmation bias so you need to tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to not like this.
The fact that you keep calling this disrespectful is pretty evident of that.
They are using her death and her cause of death to set up the story of the Conner family. If it were lazy writing she would have just left the family or died with no explanation.
It's not confirmation bias, lol. You keep saying that even though I have no care what happens to the show.
If they do creatively use her death to setup this season then I won't be so negative about it.
But as reviews already stated, the family is joking about the recent death of their mother? Doesn't sound believable at all.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:51 pm to Arksulli
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Goodman has stuck with the role not only because he's getting a lot of money, but because everyone else involved with the project is as well. He can turn down 3 million. But Laurie Metcalf? One of the other cast members? That would be taking away their retirement.
Goodman strikes me as the kind of guy that would keep doing the show because it gives people like Lecy Goranson and Michael Fisher a job when otherwise they wouldn't have work
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:57 pm to EyeTwentyNole
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Goodman strikes me as the kind of guy that would keep doing the show because it gives people like Lecy Goranson and Michael Fisher a job when otherwise they wouldn't have work
He's a very good guy (no pun) if you ever hear his interviews... and appreciates the art of acting. He's also close with Roseanne.
I have no doubt he'd turn down the role if it didn't put everyone else out of a job.
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