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re: The Chosen - Who's caught up and what's the board's opinion on the series?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 4:58 am to upgrade
Posted on 4/4/26 at 4:58 am to upgrade
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Do we know for certain it’s the final season?
It's not.
They've said all along that Season 7 will be the resurrection. Which is fitting, since, you know, 7 is the number of completion.
From the very outset of the series, they made it clear that it was a TV drama. The things that are in the Bible they do well. Yes, they take creative liberties with some things (like backstories for characters, characters not mentioned in the bible), but they are doing that with a team of religious leaders. The funny thing to me is how much people get bothered about how Matthew is portrayed. If it bothers you that much that he is portrayed as on the spectrum, you should probably ask yourself why.
Let's face it, the Gospels and Acts don't describe every facet of Jesus's ministry or the people around him. We don't know for sure if Peter was married at the time he was called--his wife may have already passed away for all we know.
I've seen complaints about the "You are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church scene" where people think they changed it to him meaning the entire group, or the crowd, but ita very clear that that was not the intent at all. None of the Apostles took it that way.
The only gripe I've seen that might have some merit is regarding Judas's motivation for betraying Jesus, but even that is debatable. Maybe it was truly about the money.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 5:05 am
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 5:20 am to meeple
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In the show it portrays Jesus as a friend of someone that just had a hard time fitting in. Which I’m not saying he isn’t… but that’s not exactly accurate for Matthew and why God revealed this to us in scripture because we ourselves are sinners, and he is a friend to us who believe.
*insert Andrew saying "what?!" here*
They made it clear multiple times throughout the early seasons that the Jews hated tax collectors. Matthew was even disowned by his own father, and they were basically "punished" for his turning on the Jewish people.
Peter even makes it a point to tell Jesus "he sinned against our people" in the "70 times 7" conversation.
Some of these assertions come off as people having not watched the whole show, or not paying attention.
If a TV show is a threat to anyone's religious beliefs, then the TV should probably never be turned on, because there's far worse on other shows than one that might take some creative liberties with how certain unwritten things are portrayed.
Even the Sermon on the Mount scenes get people riled up, because why would Jesus need to prepare? Well, first of all, he was fully human. So do people think he just didn't do normal human things? Like he automatically knew how to walk as an infant, talk? Didn't have to go to school? He still prayed to God, even though he was fully God as well.
Maybe the prep work wasn't for him, but for Matthew. As far as Matthew "critiquing" the sermon--those guys still didn't fully understand who he was, or what Messiah meant. There are plenty of examples in the Gospels of the disciples doubting Jesus, or trying to suggest something different to him than what he knew to be his mission.
I haven't seen one moment that is actually in the Bible that seems truly out of line with the Bible.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:32 pm to Cowboyfan89
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This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 2:16 pm to Cowboyfan89
I hope you and everyone is having a happy Resurrection Day!
The scene with Nicodemus was changed from scripture. Lines of dialogue were moved around and when doing so, changed the meaning that led to a factionalized ending to the conversation. This scene saw Nicodemus accepting who Jesus is, and attempting to bow to him.
Not only did Nicodemus not accept Jesus at this time in scripture, for the purposes of the show when he tried to bow to him Jesus told him that he didn’t need to do that. Why would God refuse worship?
There are only a few lines of dialogue in scripture, and they are intended to tell us something that the show did not. Most of this scene is added to scripture, though by Dallas Jenkins’ own admission, he says 95% of the show is not in scripture. The parts of scripture that are in the show, in many cases are changed be being reordered or supplemented with extra narrative.
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haven't seen one moment that is actually in the Bible that seems truly out of line with the Bible.
The scene with Nicodemus was changed from scripture. Lines of dialogue were moved around and when doing so, changed the meaning that led to a factionalized ending to the conversation. This scene saw Nicodemus accepting who Jesus is, and attempting to bow to him.
Not only did Nicodemus not accept Jesus at this time in scripture, for the purposes of the show when he tried to bow to him Jesus told him that he didn’t need to do that. Why would God refuse worship?
There are only a few lines of dialogue in scripture, and they are intended to tell us something that the show did not. Most of this scene is added to scripture, though by Dallas Jenkins’ own admission, he says 95% of the show is not in scripture. The parts of scripture that are in the show, in many cases are changed be being reordered or supplemented with extra narrative.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 2:55 pm to meeple
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Why would God refuse worship?
Are we talking about the same guy that constantly said "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" and taught his disciples to serve others?
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Not only did Nicodemus not accept Jesus at this time in scripture
John 3:2 literally says "He [Nicodemus] came to Jesus at night and said to him, 'Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him."
No where does it say Nicodemus didn't accept him.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 4:56 pm to finchmeister08
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Anyway, we watched the "Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees!" episode last night (Season 5:3 / Matthew 23). I've never imagined Jesus getting this worked up before.
I grew up in a southern Baptist church and felt the same way. Wasn’t until I was older and saw better interpretations, did I feel differently. It actually brought me closer to Jesus realizing he showed anger much like us.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/5/26 at 8:32 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Are we talking about the same guy that constantly said "the first shall be last and the last shall be first" and taught his disciples to serve others?
Good evening. Yes that’s true. What’s also true is that he’s God who accepted worship from others, never turning it away at many instances during his earthly ministry. This is all in scripture. The scene where he turns away Nicodemus’ worship of him goes against God’s nature.
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John 3:2 literally says "He [Nicodemus] came to Jesus at night and said to him, 'Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him."
No where does it say Nicodemus didn't accept him
Jesus says as much in his responses to him. He accepted him as a teacher or prophet, but not true saving faith as his savior. The verses just prior to this in chapter 2 lead directly into this meeting, likely during the sane week. John describes would-be supposed disciples that had followed Jesus as he was performing many miracles, but they didn’t come to him with a saving faith, because Jesus could see what’s in their hearts. So Jesus didn’t commit himself to them.
I’ve watched this scene, as well as many others in the show. All I ask is that you take a few minutes to read what this says about the scene and how it compares to scripture, and let me know what you think afterwards.
EXAMINING THE SCENE BETWEEN JESUS AND NICODEMUS IN THE CHOSEN
Posted on 4/6/26 at 7:47 am to meeple
Before I read it, let me ask you this--what qualifications does Pastor Gabriel have that I should trust over the rabbi, Catholic priest, and university professor that the show consults with?
I'm not asking this to discredit him, but there is a stark difference between some seemingly random Protestant pastor on the internet and the 3 men that the production company chose to consult with.
Father Mike Schmitz recently put out a video that is very clearly alluding to The Chosen when he essentially criticizes the way people have tried to recharacterize Judas's motivations for betraying Jesus. We only know what is portrayed in the Gospels, which is that he was a thief, and he betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver. That doesnt necessarily prescribe motive. Maybe it was as simple has he was looking for a quick buck. Maybe he just got tired of Jesus, but why not just walk away if that were the case? Others did. The story The Chosen tells, while not in the Bible, at least gives some rationale to why he did it. Is it accurate? Who knows. And ultimately, all that matters is that he did betray him--the reasons don't matter.
They make it clear from the start that it's a TV show based on the Gospels. They never claim to remain 100% true to the phrasing of every verse. I guess if people feel their faith is threatened by that, they shouldn't watch.
But I'll fall back to what I said before: it's a much better show to watch--even if they take liberties with the presentation of certain events, or the creation of back stories--than most shows on TV or streaming today.
But, I love to make this point also--taking issue with some creativity in a show based on the Gospels is no different than taking issue with movies or TV shows based on true stories. If someone wants to take issue with those--fine. But the only reason people seem to get more frustrated with The Chosen doing it is because it's based on Jesus.
No one really cares that the T.C. William Titans actually spanked everyone, or that Gerry didn't get hurt until after the state championship. That doesn't make a great movie.
You wouldn't have much of a TV show if they didn't do some of this. Episode 1 would be Jesus calling his disciples, then Episode 2 is them at some rando's wedding...how did we get here again?
I'm not asking this to discredit him, but there is a stark difference between some seemingly random Protestant pastor on the internet and the 3 men that the production company chose to consult with.
Father Mike Schmitz recently put out a video that is very clearly alluding to The Chosen when he essentially criticizes the way people have tried to recharacterize Judas's motivations for betraying Jesus. We only know what is portrayed in the Gospels, which is that he was a thief, and he betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver. That doesnt necessarily prescribe motive. Maybe it was as simple has he was looking for a quick buck. Maybe he just got tired of Jesus, but why not just walk away if that were the case? Others did. The story The Chosen tells, while not in the Bible, at least gives some rationale to why he did it. Is it accurate? Who knows. And ultimately, all that matters is that he did betray him--the reasons don't matter.
They make it clear from the start that it's a TV show based on the Gospels. They never claim to remain 100% true to the phrasing of every verse. I guess if people feel their faith is threatened by that, they shouldn't watch.
But I'll fall back to what I said before: it's a much better show to watch--even if they take liberties with the presentation of certain events, or the creation of back stories--than most shows on TV or streaming today.
But, I love to make this point also--taking issue with some creativity in a show based on the Gospels is no different than taking issue with movies or TV shows based on true stories. If someone wants to take issue with those--fine. But the only reason people seem to get more frustrated with The Chosen doing it is because it's based on Jesus.
No one really cares that the T.C. William Titans actually spanked everyone, or that Gerry didn't get hurt until after the state championship. That doesn't make a great movie.
You wouldn't have much of a TV show if they didn't do some of this. Episode 1 would be Jesus calling his disciples, then Episode 2 is them at some rando's wedding...how did we get here again?
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 7:55 am
Posted on 4/6/26 at 9:35 am to Cowboyfan89
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I'm not asking this to discredit him, but there is a stark difference between some seemingly random Protestant pastor on the internet and the 3 men that the production company chose to consult with.
that's the problem with multiple interpretations.
there are people that don't like the "i AM the law of Moses" line because Jesus never said this in the Bible... but he does say it in the Book of Mormon.
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 9:39 am
Posted on 4/6/26 at 11:34 am to finchmeister08
The book is better
Posted on 4/6/26 at 11:54 am to finchmeister08
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that's the problem with multiple interpretations.
I mean, I've always kind of laughed at the fact that even the 4 gospels aren't consistent on the events that are documented in each. The where, who, how seems to vary by Gospel, which is wild to me...
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