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re: Shutter Island ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
Shutter Island ***SPOILERS***
That's what I was saying. That's why I put "partner" in quotes. I just think he shouldnt have let him go through with the lobatomy. He knew he was putting on a show there at the end. You wouldn't let your patient go get one once you've realized he is ok just couldn't live with what happened. He could have treated him for that now.
While this is possible, I really think Andrew Lladys (Leo) just reverted while sitting on the steps at the end of the movie.
When Andrew asks Dr.Sheehan/his partner Chuck "what's our next move?" and Sheehan says "I don't know you tell me.." Andrew then makes a statement referencing his continued U.S. Marshall investigation of the Island; and Sheehan makes a discreet look at the Director and General - and shakes his head as if to say - "No, he's still hallucinating and crazy."
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Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:28 pm to MetryTyger
Then he makes the "Is it better die a hero or live as a monster"
Which leads everyone to believe that he couldn't live with the guilt
Which leads everyone to believe that he couldn't live with the guilt
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:29 pm to Cam71090
I don't like that theory at all. It's easy to take one possible alternate idea/thing and run with it too. it doesn't make for a good story and like 95% of the audience wouldn't get that during their watch.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I don't like that theory at all. It's easy to take one possible alternate idea/thing and run with it too. it doesn't make for a good story and like 95% of the audience wouldn't get that during their watch.
I thought about it being a possibility immediately after watching it then discounted it just as quick
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:41 pm to CottonWasKing
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CottonWasKing
Shutter Island ***SPOILERS***
Then he makes the "Is it better die a hero or live as a monster"
Which leads everyone to believe that he couldn't live with the guilt
Agree with that also, but how would Sheehan know that? Unless he senses it from the way Andrew said it, and doesn't try to stop him - which could be plausible.....
Wow I didn't realize how much Scorsese may have intentionally (or unintentinally) left the ending open for interpretation.....
Posted on 1/27/12 at 2:54 pm to MetryTyger
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Agree with that also, but how would Sheehan know that? Unless he senses it from the way Andrew said it, and doesn't try to stop him -
Why wouldn't he know that? He is his psychologist he knows more about Andrew than Andrew knows about himself.
It was either just a comment made and nothing more which I don't believe at all. Or it was an admission to his friend that he was ready to go. Because you've gotta remember Andrew spent more time with his partner than his doctor. Just because he was "healed" doesn't automatically shift that relationship. He felt obligated to let his friend know that he didn't fail him but he was ready to go.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:29 pm to CottonWasKing
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It was either just a comment made and nothing more which I don't believe at all. Or it was an admission to his friend that he was ready to go. Because you've gotta remember Andrew spent more time with his partner than his doctor. Just because he was "healed" doesn't automatically shift that relationship. He felt obligated to let his friend know that he didn't fail him but he was ready to go.
well said. And his friend in turn understood and that's why he let him go and didn't say anything about it
Posted on 1/27/12 at 3:37 pm to jojothetireguy
Exactly 
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:48 pm to CottonWasKing
Bah!!! Sorry but hated the movie. I felt cheated and wasted 2hrs of my time. The beginning was too convincing that the story was beginning in reality.
The movie was actually well done as far as acting and such... I guess Scorcese made a well done bad movie if that makes sense.
The movie was actually well done as far as acting and such... I guess Scorcese made a well done bad movie if that makes sense.
This post was edited on 1/27/12 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:53 pm to CottonWasKing
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CottonWasKing
Shutter Island ***SPOILERS***
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Agree with that also, but how would Sheehan know that? Unless he senses it from the way Andrew said it, and doesn't try to stop him -
Why wouldn't he know that? He is his psychologist he knows more about Andrew than Andrew knows about himself.
It was either just a comment made and nothing more which I don't believe at all. Or it was an admission to his friend that he was ready to go. Because you've gotta remember Andrew spent more time with his partner than his doctor. Just because he was "healed" doesn't automatically shift that relationship. He felt obligated to let his friend know that he didn't fail him but he was ready to go.
Good point, and kinda obvious when you think about it....
Posted on 1/27/12 at 4:59 pm to Zephyrius
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The beginning was too convincing that the story was beginning in reality.
So its a bad movie because it tricked you? When it was supposed to be tricking you at that?
I'm sorry I don't understand your logic at all. It was great cinematography great writing great acting wtf else do you need?
Posted on 1/27/12 at 7:42 pm to CottonWasKing
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wtf else do you need?
How 'bout a story that doesn't trick the viewer...
Were you not wondering what hitler type of experiments were occuring in the lighthouse and how the hell he was getting off that Island before he was "committed" and the last 10min of the movie it was all a figment of his immagination... It was a let down; a trick; a gimmick to the story.
Posted on 1/27/12 at 7:45 pm to Douglas Quaid
something like that
Posted on 1/27/12 at 8:23 pm to S
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Bah!!! Sorry but hated the movie
I'm suprised you guys are discussing in depth.
just not a good film
Posted on 1/28/12 at 1:05 am to Zephyrius
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How 'bout a story that doesn't trick the viewer...
Were you not wondering what hitler type of experiments were occuring in the lighthouse and how the hell he was getting off that Island before he was "committed" and the last 10min of the movie it was all a figment of his immagination... It was a let down; a trick; a gimmick to the story.
I'm sorry I really wasn't intending to flame the first time but this is what I like out of my suspense or "psychoactive" thrillers as I like to call them. I like, no I love, for a movie to beat me. Every movie I watch I'm trying to guess one step ahead of it, its honestly a fault of mine. So any movie that "beats" me I love. I'm not faulting you for not liking it I'm just trying to understand your point of view and I still don't. I honestly don't see how you can have any gripe with this movie. If you don't enjoy the genre I could understand, but if you don't think this is a great film for its genre I just don't understand at all.
Honestly one of Leo's best roles outside of Basketball Diaries IMO.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 1:07 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 1:21 am to Zephyrius
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How 'bout a story that doesn't trick the viewer...
I'm pleasantly surprised these days when you can find a smart movie that is capable of doing this and not in a "we threw that in there for shock and awe" kind of way.
I liked Shutter Island. Not a top film for me but it was enjoyable.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 1:25 am to BluegrassBelle
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Not a top film for me but it was enjoyable.
Me either but its a top 3-5 Leo film which is pretty damn good IMO.
I would like to see Leo and Scorcese work together more. They seem like they gel great together. The four movies they have done together are all top notch IMO
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 5:38 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:12 am to CottonWasKing
I'm surprised there hadn't been any
"I knew from the first scene that it wasn't real" comments seeing as most Shutter Island threads are filled with them. Then they go on to explain every clue that leads you to believe that. I just want to say "ok close down the other page you have pulled up of some website telling you all the clues so you can look cool." I hate when people try to make you feel dumb for not catching on to trick during the movie not at the reveal.
"I knew from the first scene that it wasn't real" comments seeing as most Shutter Island threads are filled with them. Then they go on to explain every clue that leads you to believe that. I just want to say "ok close down the other page you have pulled up of some website telling you all the clues so you can look cool." I hate when people try to make you feel dumb for not catching on to trick during the movie not at the reveal.
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