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re: Rewatched Phantom Menace this weekend

Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:33 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:33 am to
Episode I has no protagonist

From a technical standpoint, it’s the worst SW movie. It has no reason to exist. If you just started watching from Episode II the entire primary plot of the PT is still there.

It’s just not as insulting and disrespectful as The Last Jedi.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77273 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:24 pm to
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Yes it was actually him and it was explained in Clone Wars and later AOTC.


Well, they might've fleshed it out in Clone Wars (haven't seen any of the animated series), but Sifo Dyas was barely 3 lines of dialogue in the prequel trilogy.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 12:28 pm to
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Yes it was actually him and it was explained in Clone Wars


Yet another failure, then. No one should have to look beyond the boundaries of a movie to figure out what the frick is going on. If you want me to do homework just to understand the basic plot of your movie

Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
156426 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 1:43 pm to
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Episode I has no protagonist

I mean, it's basically Quigon/Obiwan and/or Anakin, no?
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38657 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 1:47 pm to
No one isn't saying that wasn't a problem. It is a strength of Filoni to work these things out
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10611 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 9:46 pm to
The prequal story is actually a pretty good one at it's core. Political intrigue, deception, manipulation, etc. It could have been really good if fleshed out, better writing, acting, less CGI, and trying to not dumb it down for kids. Write it for adults. The kids will be all in just for the light sabers and the space stuff.

The Star Wars universe was a major missed opportunity. Imagine if we had a Star Wars universe properly fleshed out and quality like the MCU? And in the same time period with the MCU, Harry Potter, and Star Wars all occuring in the last 20 years?

I don't like to think about this. Upsetting.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177153 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:20 pm to
The terrible sequels have breathed new life into the bad prequels because at least I can’t watch them and it feels like Star Wars

Also Keira Knightley sucked even worse than Natalie Portman did in tPM
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 11:26 pm
Posted by Navtiger1
Washington
Member since Aug 2007
3368 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:30 pm to
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Because everyone else in the movie is speaking the same shitty dialogue, and none of them come even close to how bad she is.


I would say everyone except McGregor, Jackson, and Neeson phoned in their performances in the prequals. And even they had some scenes where they phoned it in. Portman was pretty damn horrible throughout though.

The CGI was way over used. Lucas went too far with it and it was noticeably bad. He should have used a mix of CGI and practical effects. Using the CGI to enhance the practical effects.

I don't hate the prequals, but i won't ever go out of my way to watch them like i will the originals. And i refuse to rewatch that garbage recently labeled as Star Wars.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60048 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:47 pm to
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Did Sifo-Dyas actually commission the army or did Palpatine/Dooku commission it under the name of Sifo-Dyas? I thought it was all a setup by Palpatine?

Is this more shite that's all explained somewhere else (comics or cartoons) that isn't AOTC?


I always thought it was Dooku who used his name since he had been killed.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38657 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 2:30 am to
They took on the ruse after his death
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:42 am to
Episode 1 had flaws but it was overall a fun movie to watch in a theatre and did attract the younger next generation of fans to the franchise. Conceptually a lot of things in this movie were used down the line in a lot of different films. The entire setting of the final battle was duplicated in the biggest Avengers movie. The underwater stuff got duplicated in aquaman and justice league.The only real crime was killing Maul which was retconned corrected in canon. Good acting is not in any Star Wars movies ever. The age difference between Lloyd and Portman was a creepy error that made the romance part of the next movie very odd. Overall triumphant return of franchise.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95509 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 7:30 am to
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The prequal story is actually a pretty good one at it's core.


Not really. Overly complicated trade deals and negotiations, with mafia like hit twists at the beginning is more like a Bond film set up than Star Wars.

The story doesn't really have any real movement, just a move from set piece to set pieces, show the toy you want to sell, next set piece.

quote:

It could have been really good if fleshed out,


A complete reworking around some of the basic premises could have been done.

My modest proposal (some my ideas, some I cribbed from others over the years in trying to fix this terrible fricking movie):

Qui-Gon and Obi Wan sent by the council to investigate a facility on the outer edge of Republic space. Was supposed to be an abandoned research/military observation station, but there is a manufacturing facility here making military hardware. They trip an alarm while scouting, get into a big fight, but make it out fairly roughed up. Qui-Gon is badly injured and needs to recover.

Obi Wan starts poking around on his own and asking questions. Yoda and other members of the council are concerned and go to the civilian authorities who uniformly act completely ignorant of the situation. Qui-Gon directs Obi Wan to an old contact of his who works for Senator Palpatine. The aide seems concerned and offers to help. He lets Obi Wan and Qui-Gon in on a suspected conspiracy within the government - a conspiracy poised to take over and replace the Republic with a dictatorship that will assume control, put the military in charge and replace the Jedi Council. This conspiracy is run by the Sith, he tells them.

Qui-Gon is concerned, but Obi Wan thinks the Sith are a boogeyman, told and retold by the old Jedi to keep the youngsters vigilant. They are also concerned that some of the Jedi Council are compromised, so they keep some of their findings and revelations to themselves.

The aide, working for Palpatine ultimately leads them into a trap where a weakened Qui-Gon is killed. Yoda leads a rescue team to extract Obi Wan and he finally spills the beans to Yoda about what they were looking for. Yoda explains to him that the Sith have reawakened and are rebuilding their dark counterpart to the Jedi order. The council suspected he and Qui-Gon were being lured to the dark side and discovered too late that they were being led into a trap. In the epilogue, while they are mourning Qui-Gon's sacrifice (first Jedi to die in the line of duty in decades), Yoda explains they will have to rapidly expand the corps of Jedi to meet the new threat. Without naming him, he refers to a young man across the room and says, "But we must screen carefully. See that one? The force is extremely strong with him, but his passions and impulses cannot be trusted."

Now, maybe that doesn't sell a lot of toys, but that's a better story than any of the movies since Return of the Jedi. Period. Full stop.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 7:33 am
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