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Question about the movie United 93
Posted on 2/27/21 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/27/21 at 7:48 pm
Not sure if it's just me, but they seem to make it look like Ziad Jarrah was having second thoughts about hijacking the plane. Does it seem like that to anyone else?
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Posted on 2/27/21 at 7:57 pm to Dawgfan247
I know one of the hijackers was extremely Westernified (loved alcohol, women, and American movies) and had met with bin Laden to express reservations with the attack. (I think this was one of the United 93 hijackers). The filmmakers could have based the depiction on some of these stories that came to light after the CIA did some after the fact investigations of the hijackers.
More than likely, the filmmakers were seeking to add a little bit of nuance to their characters and used artistic license to suppose that one of the United 93 hijackers was not fully committed.
More than likely, the filmmakers were seeking to add a little bit of nuance to their characters and used artistic license to suppose that one of the United 93 hijackers was not fully committed.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:00 pm to Dawgfan247
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Not sure if it's just me, but they seem to make it look like Ziad Jarrah was having second thoughts about hijacking the plane. Does it seem like that to anyone else?
After the film came out back in 2006, I kind of went on a binge of all things related to 9/11, and that included background information on the hijackers. Ziad Jarrah could best be described as a reluctant terrorist. He was engaged to be married and came from an affluent and highly westernized family. He was educated at a Catholic school in his home country of Lebanon and didn't really start practicing Islam until he started attending college in Germany.
About a decade or so ago the Defense Department released outtakes of his "martyrdom" video and you could tell the man's heart wasn't into it. I think I remember reading where one of the other United 93 hijackers (Saed Al-Ghambi) actually had some flight training. He was the only other hijacker besides the four suicide pilots who were at least somewhat trained in flight so that tells me they were suspicious of Jarrah to the very end and had a Plan B just in case he chickened out.
The fact that United 93 took so much longer to get hijacked compared to the other three planes tells me that it's at least possible Jarrah entertained some doubts about going through with it.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:11 pm to RollTide1987
You have to really, REALLY hate your enemy in order to kill him. The second you empathize with your enemy, you lose your killer instinct.
Jarrah was *this* close to foiling the United 93 hijacking himself. Somehow, at the very last minute, he found the hate in his heart to see the plan through. (ATC radio picked up his voice and witnesses who knew him positively identified him as the hijacker. So, I guess they didn't have to resort to Plan B.)
Jarrah was *this* close to foiling the United 93 hijacking himself. Somehow, at the very last minute, he found the hate in his heart to see the plan through. (ATC radio picked up his voice and witnesses who knew him positively identified him as the hijacker. So, I guess they didn't have to resort to Plan B.)
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:14 pm to RollTide1987
That's what I thought as well, at least from the movie. Ziad told them it wasnt the right time, and the other 3 hijackers just went ahead and started the hijacking with or without him. I had to start reading about him and his background after watching it because he didnt seem into doing it.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:35 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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More than likely, the filmmakers were seeking to add a little bit of nuance to their characters and used artistic license to suppose that one of the United 93 hijackers was not fully committed.
I think it was a realistic decision too. I don’t care how indoctrinated, evil and radical you are, unless you’re a complete robot, there’s got to be some second guessing once you’re about to cross that point of no return.
The decision to go through with killing yourself and others takes a truly evil heart, but I don’t doubt that there’s fear and second guessing right before taking that plunge.
That being said, frick those motherfrickers. That movie is so good but it’s a mixture of sadness, pride, and anger that I’ve never felt before.
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:40 pm to Frac the world
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That being said, frick those motherfrickers. That movie is so good but it’s a mixture of sadness, pride, and anger that I’ve never felt before.
Absolutely. Everytime I watch it I always hope itll end differently despite knowing how it ends. Always makes me bawl like a baby
Posted on 2/27/21 at 8:42 pm to Frac the world
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That being said, frick those motherfrickers. That movie is so good but it’s a mixture of sadness, pride, and anger that I’ve never felt before.
I recently read Dave Cullen's book Columbine. And I was struck by just how evil Klebold and Harris were, especially upon entering the library, and taking their time mentally torturing their victims. And I was also struck by how the book mentally took me all the way back to April 1999. In the interim, I had completely lost touch with the reality that the massacre happened in real-life.
That's the way United 93 makes me feel. It mentally places me back to how I felt on 9/11.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 10:59 am to Dawgfan247
Last few minutes of that movie are as intense and powerful as anything I’ve ever seen
That group of people were true heroes .
That group of people were true heroes .
Posted on 2/28/21 at 4:15 pm to Frac the world
One of my fellow college Alumni died on that plane. Barbara Olson.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:57 pm to Klingler7
I visited the Flight 93 Memorial a few months ago. Interesting place.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 6:26 pm to Dawgfan247
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Absolutely. Everytime I watch it I always hope itll end differently despite knowing how it ends. Always makes me bawl like a baby
I watch hoping the plane has rolled back from the gate before the "lucky" guy gets on at the last minute.
I also think that there were probably people in the towers who were there for the very first time and were all excited like one of us (well me anyway) country folks excited to gawk at the building and look out the windows, etc.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 7:20 pm to gthog61
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I also think that there were probably people in the towers who were there for the very first time and were all excited like one of us (well me anyway) country folks excited to gawk at the building and look out the windows, etc.
I post every year or so about my experience there.. but my parents and I would go to NYC in the late 90's, early 2000's.. and had done all the other touristy stuff there... except for one... in August 2001... the World trade center... we went 2 weeks before 9/11.. and I think about that quite often.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 8:24 pm to Lawyered
The end of the movie makes me physically ill (and it’s excellent)
Posted on 2/28/21 at 8:26 pm to Globetrotter747
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I visited the Flight 93 Memorial a few months ago. Interesting place.
The plane went down in Somerset County, PA, my ancestral familial home where my family settled when they came from Germany. I still have distant cousins there.(My immediate family hails from Butler, PA,30 miles north of Pittsburgh) We visited the memorial in May of 2013 on our way to Pittsburgh from D.C. ......
I couldn't even look at it. It literally hit that close to home.
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