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Operation Varsity Blues: The College Admissions Scandal on Netflix

Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:52 am
Posted by Dale Murphy
God's Country
Member since Feb 2005
24473 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 8:52 am
Such an intriguing "documentary". I had only heard superficially what all went down. To hear the specifics was mind blowing.
Any of you that know the story can maybe help answer one question I have. The whole documentary was based on FBI wiretaps on Rick Singer's phone. From everything I've read, the FBI didn't even know about him until he was turned in by the soccer coach. So how did they have all of his conversations with people prior to this? The documentary made it sound like he was only tapped when he agreed to set up all of the other people. Just a little confusing.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
50813 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 9:01 am to
Just getting this out the way now



Maybe Singer was recording the phone calls himself before hand?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16417 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:14 am to
TYFYS

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Maybe Singer was recording the phone calls himself before hand?

When this story broke, there was definitely someone in the administration that had been recording the calls. Do not recall who, or what position they held, but it very well could have bene Singer thinking he was covering his arse, or future blackmail purposes.
This post was edited on 3/22/21 at 10:14 am
Posted by jvargas
Member since Feb 2019
961 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:38 am to
Watched it yesterday. It's insane!
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 10:48 am to
Given how conscious and adept singer always was about sidestepping any questions remotely related to the ethics of what he was doing even before the fbi got involved, and how quickly prepared he was to turn informant, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he was recording conversations the whole time to use in exchange for a lighter punishment should he ever get caught.

Thoughts, assuming everything in the documentary is true:

After watching the documentary, I’m still not sure what was done criminally wrong here by the parents outside of claiming the payments as charitable contributions, and everyone knows wealthy people skirt the tax laws as much as possible already anyway.

The whole “they used their wealth to get things they didn’t earn” is a literal fact of life. They use their wealth to put their kids through private schools, fly on private planes, sit courtside at nba games, and do all kinds of other things that non-wealthy people can’t do. Why is this different? And this isn’t even touching on things like affirmative action that, quite literally, prevent better qualified candidates from getting opportunities they did earn by giving preferential treatment to less qualified candidates. The documentary also mentions multiple times the “backdoor option” where families give multi-million dollar gifts to schools and get preferential treatment going forward. Why is nobody upset about that?

The idea that the universities were harmed in all this is fricking absurd. The cost to attend these places is completely absurd and absolutely exploiting students and their families. But now they’re mad that people were able to find and exploit loopholes in their own admissions processes? As the lawyer said towards the end, name another case in history where the “harm” to the “victim” was receiving $770,000.

Does the fact that all of the schools involved in this, or at least mentioned in the documentary are private schools that don’t receive public funding not matter at all?

I know he was portrayed as a sympathetic character, but the sailing coach got absolutely fricked over if it’s true that all of the money from singer went to the sailing program and not in his pockets. The fact that he is now a convicted felon is absurd. And I 100% believe his version of the AD knowing who singer was and what he did. As for the other coaches, outside of not reporting their payments as income I don’t see why they are criminals either. The only thing they are guilty of is exploiting loopholes at their private universities, and that’s between them and their employer.

Admittedly, I went in not knowing much about how this all actually happened but not understanding why it was such a big deal. Now that I know, it seems like a giant waste of resources to punish a bunch of rich people that did very little if anything wrong.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 11:33 am to
quote:

After watching the documentary, I’m still not sure what was done criminally wrong here by the parents outside of claiming the payments as charitable contributions, and everyone knows wealthy people skirt the tax laws as much as possible already anyway.


Timely and related link just posted on the OT:

High-Income Tax Avoidance Far Larger Than Thought, New Paper Estimates
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36660 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 12:19 pm to
I couldn’t help but laugh everytime I saw modine
Posted by TheFritz
Member since Oct 2017
300 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 12:48 pm to
You are pretty much getting at everything I thought after watching it. It was super intriguing but those were my exact thoughts. So you are saying those were Private universities? I didn't know if they were public or private but the fact that they are Private makes whatever happened as far as punishment seem more puzzling.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28428 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 1:51 pm to
Perhaps it had something with Title IX violations as far as the parents fraudulently providing false information regarding the various sports teams?

The craziest thing to me was that he wasn’t busted by the narcissistic kids putting evidence out there showing no involvement in sports, but by some coach busted in an unrelated securities violation.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 2:06 pm to
If you take Federal funds, you are open to Federal regulation and oversight.

The distinction between Public and Private is usually Public universities are land grant and Private have an endowment collected from donors and alumni.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36660 posts
Posted on 3/22/21 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

So how did they have all of his conversations with people prior to this? The documentary made it sound like he was only tapped when he agreed to set up all of the other people. Just a little confusing.



It seems like they just retro-fit the calls for the first half of the doc to give you an idea of how he did business.

It’s definitely misleading cause at first I thought the FBI was on him the whole time. I was wondering how this talking arse mother fricker took 8 years to bring down.


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