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re: Official Avengers thread
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:08 pm to LSUFreek
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:08 pm to LSUFreek
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When you get on a roller-coaster at a theme park, how often are you hammered with social messages or heavy themes? The Avengers is just a better pure ride.
but watching a bunch of cgi things battle each other when you know the protagonists will win gets boring, especially when those protagonists are 1-dimensional and flat/simple
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Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but watching a bunch of cgi things battle each other when you know the protagonists will win gets boring, especially when those protagonists are 1-dimensional and flat/simple
I found nothing boring about watching The Hulk smashing things, and I am still not bored with RDJ's Iron Man yet. Call me crazy, but I could've watched both for multiple hours smash & blow up things.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:21 pm to LSUFreek
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and I am still not bored with RDJ's Iron Man yet.
oh well he's certainly not 1-dimensional
thor, captain america, banner, and the hulk are sort of 1-dimensional
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
The movie just wasn't your cup of tea. It didn't have one dimensional characters, an empty plot, or anything like that.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:lolwut?
banner, and the hulk are sort of 1-dimensional
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:captain america was just out of place a lot. they put a little too much emphasis on him being "all about saving civilians"....there was a part where Thor and IM are fricking shite up, Hulk still hasn't gotten back to wherever he was, CA, HE, and BW are chilling on the ground hiding behind a cab just like WTF are we doing here.
thor, captain america, banner, and the hulk are sort of 1-dimensional
It was almost annoying just how gung ho he was about everything, when all the other characters are questioning SHIELDS work and Nick Fury, he just seemed very naive.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cap's war experience was not "on the battlefield." he ran black ops raiding/intel missions against HYDRA
Part of it yes. The implicationof the montage in Captain America is that he did everything from overall position position strategy to small group raids. And everything in between. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.
Heck most people hope that the second film is about those times, more than a modern setting. It seems that won't be the way, but everyone knows Cap is far more important and military minded than people give him credit for.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:33 pm to Freauxzen
Fwiw, I think SFP painted himself into a corner by trying to overdefend his premise. As the arguments against him get more pointed and accurate, his points broaden and exaggerate themselves.
Most of his posts in this thread since page 4 reflect that.
He needs to know when to bow out.
I don't fault him, I have done this before many times.
Most of his posts in this thread since page 4 reflect that.
He needs to know when to bow out.
I don't fault him, I have done this before many times.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:34 pm to Roaad
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Fwiw, I think SFP painted himself into a corner by trying to overdefend his premise. As the arguments against him get more pointed and accurate, his points broaden and exaggerate themselves.
Most of his posts in this thread since page 4 reflect that.
He needs to know when to bow out.
I don't fault him, I have done this before many times.
Agreed. It's just disliking to dislike. And that's fine, at least realize you're doing it. The film isn't weak at all. Fan AND Critic praise is hard to come by, and it doesn't get that from being an empty film.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:They have many times.
iron man, thor, and hulk are going to take a SUPER legit bad guy to really threaten them
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:35 pm to RonBurgundy
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ETA: Message boards don't like Chris Evans, but he nails Cap-as an avid reader of Cap, he is Captain America. As far as bland, yeah Cap doesn't get the one liners that Stark,Peter Parker or Wolverine get, but he is the voice of the MCU.
This.
Those people don't get it. Evans is great as Captain America.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:36 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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This is why you keep getting banned. You can't handle people disagreeing with you even though you make terrible arguments. Also using "mongoloid" makes it pretty obvious who you are.
The hell is this about? More trolling? Great.
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That is completely different bro. Completely. All it shows is that his love for Tyler's character is present in his hulk state also. It does not show rational behavior and control over his hulked out state.
No it shows he can also have clarity while exhibiting the rage of the beast. He does it in the final battle in Harlem as well. He only attacks who he feels threatens him or has done him wrong. That's clarity. Otherwise, whenever he Hulks up he'd destroy and everything in his path.
Like I said, you're a mongoloid.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:37 pm to Freauxzen
quote:But just like music hipsters, this begs some to blast it.
Fan AND Critic praise is hard to come by
200+ mil opening weekend, 90+% on rottentomatoes. . .
It is just a motherfricking success by all rational metric.
Joss Whedon owned arse. No two ways about it.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:39 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Yes. I hated the choice when I first heard.
Evans is great as Captain America.
After watching the movie, he was flawless as Cap.
The most iffy was Thor. Hemsworth definitely looks the part, but isn't a strong actor.
I think Tommy Lee Jones was the better choice as Fury.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:40 pm to southernelite
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It was almost annoying just how gung ho he was about everything, when all the other characters are questioning SHIELDS work and Nick Fury, he just seemed very naive.
He questioned their motives as well. Remember he was the one who found their weaponry that used the Tessaract's powers.
He just comes from a different era as well. He just wants to serve his country and defend the weak against bullies. That's who he is. He knows what it's like to be weak and to be bullied and he has heart. That's what drove him to continuously try to serve in WW2 even though he wasn't physically fit to do so. He's the heart and moral center of the group and has no ego or character flaws - Thor is a hothead that really doesn't understand our planet, Iron Man has the biggest ego on the planet and can be a bit of a lone wolf, and Banner isn't really happy that his experiment failed and really doesn't like Hulking up, but when he does, he can smash everything and anything put in his way.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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thor, captain america, banner, and the hulk are sort of 1-dimensional
The Hulk is certainly one-dimensional, and I still didn't get enough. That's mainly why I went back so many times. They finally got him right, one-dimensional & all, and I still wanted more.
However you can't say Banner is in any way one-dimensional, and is he sort of attached to the Hulk, like Jekyll was to Hyde.
I do excuse any deeper character development in this movie between Thor or Cap, because this is practically the sixth sequel or so in a long line of interconnected Marvel movies. So they had their development in their movies and are just here to enhance the ride, whereas they gave ScarJo some significant character development in this one, but didn't in Iron Man 2.
But don't worry. There's more character development for Cap on the Blue-ray DVD. Wheldon said there is 30 minutes of footage that was cut, a good portion showing Cap struggling with being out of place.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:41 pm to Freauxzen
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It didn't have one dimensional characters,
iron man certainly wasn't
banner was the smart guy struggling with the hulk
i guess we can say the hulk was 2 dimensional, rational hulk and irrational hulk
how were cap/thor dynamic characters (in this movie)?
and then there were the secondary people who were certainly 1-sided (fury, black widow, hawkeye, loki, etc)
i have defended loki as the villain, but his threat just wasn't that real. the avengers were way too powerful for them. i wished loki had done more to expound on his theory of liberty to help him out a bit. it would have given him more depth. i enjoyed the exposition of this movie, but once it got going it just kind of was flat...then they had a big (and well done) climactic/epic battle scene
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:42 pm to Freauxzen
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It's just disliking to dislike.
but i didn't dislike the movie
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:42 pm to southernelite
quote:Think about the view of the government and the military that existed during WWII. He is from that time.
when all the other characters are questioning SHIELDS work and Nick Fury, he just seemed very naive.
Cynicism just wasn't so widespread in that time, with that clear enemy.
Posted on 5/6/12 at 6:42 pm to LSUFreek
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But don't worry. There's more character development for Cap on the Blue-ray DVD. Wheldon said there is 30 minutes of footage that was cut, a good portion showing Cap struggling with being out of place.
An almost 3 hour film, consider me intrigued.
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